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A player, 24 March 2005
Question: can you win a Victory or Death challenge (against the most expensive enemy personality), search for No Victory (as per the text of Victory or Death), and then immediately play that copy of No Victory as per its text?
It seems to me that this is the idea of how the two cards are intended to work together, but I don't see how this fits with the following ruling from the accumulated rulings:
Outside effects and reactions triggered by winning or losing a duel occur before the results of the duel itself, because winning occurs when Chi totals are compared and one is found to be higher. [JA, 19-20 February 2004]
Since No Victory is triggered "After you win a duel", whilst Victory or Death's search effect is a standard result of the duel, by the above ruling, the opportunity to react with No Victory falls before the opportunity to search for it.
Is this correct?
Martin Lund (rules official), 24 March 2005
Question: can you win a Victory or Death challenge (against the most expensive enemy personality), search for No Victory (as per the text of Victory or Death), and then immediately play that copy of No Victory as per its text?
It seems to me that this is the idea of how the two cards are intended to work together, but I don't see how this fits with the following ruling from the accumulated rulings:
Since No Victory is triggered "After you win a duel", whilst Victory or Death's search effect is a standard result of the duel, by the above ruling, the opportunity to react with No Victory falls before the opportunity to search for it.
Is this correct?
You've got a solid point there. It'll let you get No Victory, but the time to play No Victory has already come and gone.
That's just like the Walking the Way for Ring of Air situation, come to think of it.
So you can't follow up a Victory or Death with the copy of No Victory it fetches for you - at least until Jeff says otherwise.
Jeff Alexander (rules official), 24 March 2005
Marty's ruling is correct.