Action Sequence vs NINJAS

L5R CCG Rules board, 8 September 2015

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 8 September 2015

If I react on Step C that will destroy/remove the source of the action from play - will the remaining effects continue on Step E?

http://rules.alderac.com/cr_for_20f#action-sequence

i.e. step A: RA on a personality *announce step B: bows the personality *cost step C: targets Shosuro Oniji (reacts to duel and kills the source of the RA) *targeting

Reaction: After another player targets Oniji with an action, target a Personality that player controls who must be opposing Oniji if it is an Attack Phase: Oniji duels the target. Destroy the duel's loser.

step D: *interrupt step E: ??? *resolve step F: n/a *strategy discard

will the RA fail or follow the example stated on the link?

If an action’s required targeting becomes illegal during resolution, or the ability’s card leaves play during resolution, all remaining effects are still activated.

however, the card left play during targeting.

another scenario would be, what if Bayushi Shinzo exp wins the duel and gains control of the personality with the RA?

Elemental Reaction: After Shinzo is targeted by another player's action, bow or discard a Ring you own and target a Personality controlled by the action's player: Shinzo duels him. If the other Personality loses, take control of him, straighten him, and permanently give him Ninja. If Shinzo loses, destroy him.

finally, what would be the interaction of the current action sequence be with Night Watchers?

Reaction: After another player's Battle action targets your Ninja Personality, if this card is in your hand: Attach it to the Personality, paying all costs. If he is no longer a legal target for the action, the action's costs are ignored and its effects do not happen.

since the costs are ignored, do you straighten the personality that bowed? will you get a 'refund' of the gold paid?

many thanks!

Alex Jones (rules official), 8 September 2015

If I react on Step C that will destroy/remove the source of the action from play - will the remaining effects continue on Step E?

http://rules.alderac.com/cr_for_20f#action-sequence

i.e. step A: RA on a personality *announce step B: bows the personality *cost step C: targets Shosuro Oniji (reacts to duel and kills the source of the RA) *targeting

step D: *interrupt step E: ??? *resolve step F: n/a *strategy discard

will the RA fail or follow the example stated on the link?

however, the card left play during targeting.

another scenario would be, what if Bayushi Shinzo exp wins the duel and gains control of the personality with the RA?

finally, what would be the interaction of the current action sequence be with Night Watchers?

since the costs are ignored, do you straighten the personality that bowed? will you get a 'refund' of the gold paid?

many thanks!

You're misreading steps C & E of the Action Sequence.

Step C is "Choose targets": These choices define the action’s targeting for purposes of Interrupts and any other effects that check targeting. However, they do not actually trigger effects that depend on targeting.

Step E is "Check targeting and resolve effects": Targeting as chosen in step C is now actually carried out when called for by the card text, possibly altered by Interrupts or other effects.

So, Oniji's duel occurs in Step E, which won't stop the action's effects resolving (note however, that challenges & duels won't happen); similarly for Shinzo exp.

Regarding Night Watchers, you may remember that previously, targeting was done before costs were paid, so in general that clause of Night Watcher's ability would have greater effect. However, it is now generally useless as it only affects costs that have not yet been paid: you do not get a refund.