A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 29 May 2015
Situation: Goju Saido has been bought previously with its Invest cost. When it dies, its player Interrupts the action with Feign Death. Per Akodo Gilador's ruling, he enters play from an out-of-play area, which is considered Recruiting per the CR.
- Does Goju Saido's controller need to pay the 10G Invest Cost he initially paid? - Can he choose to pay an additional 10G Invest cost when Saido enters play through Feign Death?
Also: I do not see the change Palmer mentions here. Nothing in the Invest part of the CR specifies you need to Recruit a personality to use its Invest trait?
Relevant text:
Goju Saido Invest 10 : Melee 5 Attack (this cannot be Interrupted) that may target a card in a player's home (if otherwise legal). This Invest cost cannot be reduced. Lose 2 Honor. After Saido enters play, lose 1 Honor.
Feign Death Interrupt: Target your Personality. After the action resolves, if it destroyed him, bring him into play in your home, ignoring costs and Honor Requirement, then bow him, dishonor him, and lose 2 Honor.
RECRUIT Furthermore, any time an effect brings a Personality or Holding into play from an out-of-play area, it is considered Recruiting and follows the Recruit procedure with any stated modifications. This does not apply to created cards because they are brought into existence from nothingness.
INVEST This is a trait that starts with “Invest” and a Gold cost (for example, “Invest 2:”). Before paying for a card entering play, a player may permanently increase the card’s Gold Cost by the additional cost in its Invest trait, once, to get an additional effect after it enters play (for example, “Gain 1 Honor” or “Give this card a +2F token.”) When Invest appears on a non-Strategy card, its effects come from the Invest trait, not the action that brought the card into play.
An Invest cost on a Strategy may be added to the cost of any action the player is taking from the Strategy, at the point when that cost would be paid. If it creates distinct effects, as opposed to just modifying the action, they are added to the action’s effects, resolving last, and become part of the action. Things that can pay for an action on a Strategy can also pay for an Invest cost on a Strategy.
A player, 15 June 2015
Continuation of my previous question (unanswered yet), regarding Feign Death and entering play.
If Feign Death brings the personality back from the grave from an out of play area, it is considered Recruiting. I can then play An Honored Guest to increase its PH by 1 before it is dishonored.
My question is about the second part of An Honored Guest. Am I then allowed to Proclaim a personality entering play through Feign Death, considering the card goes against the rules?
The question can be extended to using An Honored Guest on the personality entering play through Interrupt the Void's Flow.
From the CR:
RECRUIT: Furthermore, any time an effect brings a Personality or Holding into play from an out-of-play area, it is considered Recruiting and follows the Recruit procedure with any stated modifications. This does not apply to created cards because they are brought into existence from nothingness.
PROCLAIM: After a player announces a Recruit action or an action with Recruit as an effect, he or she may choose to Proclaim the Personality being recruited if he has the player’s Clan Alignment and is being Recruited from a Province. A player may only Proclaim once per turn and only on his or her own turn. If Proclaiming is chosen, then after the Personality enters play, add the Personality’s Personal Honor to the player’s Family Honor.
An Honored Guest (ThA) Kharmic Interrupt: Permanently give +1PH to a target Personality the action is Recruiting. You may Proclaim him even if he does not have your Clan Alignment.
Feign Death (20F) Interrupt: Target your Personality. After the action resolves, if it destroyed him, bring him into play in your home, ignoring costs and Honor Requirement, then bow him, dishonor him, and lose 2 Honor.
Interrupt the Void's Flow (TCS) Void Interrupt: Negate a Battle action. Destroy this Spell. Remove the caster's unit from the game, keeping all attachments and tokens, and ignoring leaving-play effects. Return it to play before the turn ends, ignoring entering-play costs and effects.
Alex Jones (rules official), 15 June 2015
Situation: Goju Saido has been bought previously with its Invest cost. When it dies, its player Interrupts the action with Feign Death. Per Akodo Gilador's ruling, he enters play from an out-of-play area, which is considered Recruiting per the CR.
- Does Goju Saido's controller need to pay the 10G Invest Cost he initially paid? - Can he choose to pay an additional 10G Invest cost when Saido enters play through Feign Death?
Also: I do not see the change Palmer mentions here. Nothing in the Invest part of the CR specifies you need to Recruit a personality to use its Invest trait?
Relevant text:
Goju Saido Invest 10 : Melee 5 Attack (this cannot be Interrupted) that may target a card in a player's home (if otherwise legal). This Invest cost cannot be reduced. Lose 2 Honor. After Saido enters play, lose 1 Honor.
Feign Death Interrupt: Target your Personality. After the action resolves, if it destroyed him, bring him into play in your home, ignoring costs and Honor Requirement, then bow him, dishonor him, and lose 2 Honor.
RECRUIT Furthermore, any time an effect brings a Personality or Holding into play from an out-of-play area, it is considered Recruiting and follows the Recruit procedure with any stated modifications. This does not apply to created cards because they are brought into existence from nothingness.
INVEST This is a trait that starts with “Invest” and a Gold cost (for example, “Invest 2:”). Before paying for a card entering play, a player may permanently increase the card’s Gold Cost by the additional cost in its Invest trait, once, to get an additional effect after it enters play (for example, “Gain 1 Honor” or “Give this card a +2F token.”) When Invest appears on a non-Strategy card, its effects come from the Invest trait, not the action that brought the card into play.
An Invest cost on a Strategy may be added to the cost of any action the player is taking from the Strategy, at the point when that cost would be paid. If it creates distinct effects, as opposed to just modifying the action, they are added to the action’s effects, resolving last, and become part of the action. Things that can pay for an action on a Strategy can also pay for an Invest cost on a Strategy.
As Jon has stated, Feign Death does not Recruit the Personality.