Hello,
If I have a Diligent Care in play and my opponent plays Wary Peace can I return his attachment to my hand as well?
Diligent Care and my opponent's attachments
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Hello,
If I have a Diligent Care in play and my opponent plays Wary Peace can I return his attachment to my hand as well?
No. As implied by this ruling, a card may only "return" to a place where it once resided. Unless your opponent's attachment was in your hand at some point (and what an epic string of effects that would be!) it cannot return to there, so it is destroyed as normal.
On: Diligent Care, Wary Peace
Per this ruling, 'a card may only "return" to a place where it once resided'. During the After Resolution segment of Battles, Attacking units 'return home', and at the end of the Attack Phase Defending units do likewise. Where do cards recruited during battle using mechanics such as Reserve go, as they never resided in a player's home.
Per this ruling, 'a card may only "return" to a place where it once resided'. During the After Resolution segment of Battles, Attacking units 'return home', and at the end of the Attack Phase Defending units do likewise. Where do cards recruited during battle using mechanics such as Reserve go, as they never resided in a player's home.
Each such Personality goes to his or her controller's home.
We're discussing how to handle "return" in the case of Diligent Care.
On: Diligent Care
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At present, I see no reason why the rulings on "return" should differ from that on Strike Without Striking, or that on Doji (found here). I see nothing involving design intent on Diligent Care, nothing going against the current rules of the game, and nothing going against the English meaning of "return", which is not otherwise defined in the rules. There are no special rules in the CR for "return", other than returning home after battle.
The answer to this is the Legacy ruling isn't applied here. That ruling is very specifically referring to Focused cards, from half a decade ago, in a different ruleset. It has the same relevance as anything that refers to returning home.
Also I'd further question cards that were never in my hand. What if I discard a card using Doji Bukita (whatever the 20F version is) that allows me to play the card from the discard. Am I supposed to track which cards in my discard were in my hand?
What if I pick up an opponents attachment from Press the Advantage? It was in my opponents hand, discarded, then picked up into my hand. If I now discard it, it enters my opponents discard pile. He then attaches it to a guy. Something kills it, I use Diligent Care. Did we have to track the card's existence through all that?
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The answer to this is the Legacy ruling isn't applied here. That ruling is very specifically referring to Focused cards, from half a decade ago, in a different ruleset. It has the same relevance as anything that refers to returning home.
Also I'd further question cards that were never in my hand. What if I discard a card using Doji Bukita (whatever the 20F version is) that allows me to play the card from the discard. Am I supposed to track which cards in my discard were in my hand?
What if I pick up an opponents attachment from Press the Advantage? It was in my opponents hand, discarded, then picked up into my hand. If I now discard it, it enters my opponents discard pile. He then attaches it to a guy. Something kills it, I use Diligent Care. Did we have to track the card's existence through all that?
So would you prefer that I make a new ruling that "return" means the same thing it means in English?
If you're running Diligent Care, you may need to track any cards that enter play without having been in your hand. The situations that result in this are edge cases and I'm not going to go against plain language to support such an edge case. If Diligent Care said "attachments go to your hand" instead of "attachments return to your hand", we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Errata has been issued to Diligent Care.
Alex