Paying Gold Costs in 20F

L5R CCG Rules board, 5 April 2015 to 9 April 2015

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 5 April 2015

In the run-up to Twenty Festivals, I remember reading a rules change that said something like:

"When producing gold, you may bow holdings one at a time until there is enough gold in the pool to pay the costs of the current action."

I can't find a reference for this now.

This came up specifically when discussing Honored Sensei and Otomo Terumoto.

Can you bow 3 Honored Sensei's while Recruiting Otomo Terumoto and gain 4 honour total from the action and keep 6 gold in the pool?

Alex Jones (rules official), 9 April 2015

In the run-up to Twenty Festivals, I remember reading a rules change that said something like:

"When producing gold, you may bow holdings one at a time until there is enough gold in the pool to pay the costs of the current action."

I can't find a reference for this now.

This came up specifically when discussing Honored Sensei and Otomo Terumoto.

Can you bow 3 Honored Sensei's while Recruiting Otomo Terumoto and gain 4 honour total from the action and keep 6 gold in the pool?

When making a payment, you may use as many of your holdings to produce gold as you want, or produce gold from other sources - you do not have to stop when you have sufficient to make the payment.

See Action Sequence, Step B: During the Pay Costs step, if the action has a Gold cost (or if a targeting paradox makes it potentially have one), its player may produce Gold and then pay for the action using the Gold just produced and Gold in that player’s Gold pool. Any Gold produced that is not spent on the action goes to the player’s Gold pool.

However, see also this paragraph under Paying Gold Costs: EXCEPTION: Some Gold production says it may only pay for a certain cost or type of cost, with wording such as “This Holding has +2GP if this only pays for a single Follower”. The choice to have the extra GP is taken at the point of producing Gold with that source. If the extra GP is taken, that Gold is tracked separately, does not enter the pool, and cannot pay for anything else than the action (including Recruit/Equip) for which the Gold was produced; excess production disappears after the Pay Costs step of the action.

If you use 3x Honored Sensei to pay for 1x Otomo Terumoto, you produce 9g, but 6g of that is lost; after he enters play you gain 4 honour.