Hello I have hidden Machinations in play, From the additional action it grants me, i play ambush on my opponent's personality. Will he be still be able to play battle actions ? I ask because the action phase is technically over and ambush created a battle. ... well.. confused. Thanks. http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=11674,#hashid=93c3fd09d594095e0b8849172717bc46,#cardcount=0
Hidden Machinations + Ambush
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Hello I have hidden Machinations in play, From the additional action it grants me, i play ambush on my opponent's personality. Will he be still be able to play battle actions ? I ask because the action phase is technically over and ambush created a battle. ... well.. confused. Thanks. http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=11674,#hashid=93c3fd09d594095e0b8849172717bc46,#cardcount=0
The battle created by Ambush has Engage, Combat and Resolution segments, just like any other battle: you may take Engage actions in the Engage Segment and Battle actions in the Combat Segment as usual.
http://l5r.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=110867&sid=7c36552126d9f6c7b03cc0e4c7bb8ce4 Regarding about the ruling above. Some questions.... 1. After using Hidden Machinations additional action does the Action Phase Ends? 2. Do Ambush create a new Action Phase or a Battle Phase? 3. Are the combat and resolution segment created by ambush still Action Phase? Are the battle actions you play in Ambush still in the Action Phase? If so do they have to take battle actions or since the Action Phase is over after playing ambush do they just have to pass its combat segment and go straight to resolution?
Regarding these questions http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=110880 http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=110867 Hidden Machinations Before the Action Phase ends, you may take an additional action. Ambush Limited: Target your unbowed Personality and another player's Personality. Create a battlefield (not at any Province). Assign your Personality to attack there. Assign the other Personality to defend there, even if he is bowed. Other Personalities cannot move there. Fight a battle there (after this action resolves). After the battle ends, lose 5 Honor.
The situation is: After both players pass on action phase. I use ambush and target the personalities. Since Ambush did never say take additional action/actions and ambush resolves before we fight the battle and Hidden Machinations states that after I take that additional action(Ambush) Action Phase ends. Since Action Phase is ending all actions pertaining to that phase ends/resolves. Since both personalities is in battle we take appropriate engage/interrupt actions during its engage segment, we proceed to combat segment and since ambush did not state take additional actions and the action phase has already ended we pass combat segment and go straight to its battle resolution.
Is the situation above correct?
Regarding these questions http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=110880 http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=110867 Hidden Machinations Before the Action Phase ends, you may take an additional action. Ambush Limited: Target your unbowed Personality and another player's Personality. Create a battlefield (not at any Province). Assign your Personality to attack there. Assign the other Personality to defend there, even if he is bowed. Other Personalities cannot move there. Fight a battle there (after this action resolves). After the battle ends, lose 5 Honor.
The situation is: After both players pass on action phase. I use ambush and target the personalities. Since Ambush did never say take additional action/actions and ambush resolves before we fight the battle and Hidden Machinations states that after I take that additional action(Ambush) Action Phase ends. Since Action Phase is ending all actions pertaining to that phase ends/resolves. Since both personalities is in battle we take appropriate engage/interrupt actions during its engage segment, we proceed to combat segment and since ambush did not state take additional actions and the action phase has already ended we pass combat segment and go straight to its battle resolution.
Is the situation above correct?
Ambush creates a battle which happens during the Action Phase. If you play Ambush as the additional action from Hidden Machinations, the battle will happen as normal after Ambush resolves; other effects triggered "Before the Action Phase ends" will then happen.
Ambush creates a battle. This is not an Attack Phase, and happens during the Action Phase*. See "Battles" on p38 of the Comprehensive Rules.
As I stated below, the battle will have an Engage Segment, a Combat Segment and a Resolution Segment. The rules for the Engage Segment state that it is an Action Round for taking Engage actions; the rules for the Combat Segment state that it is an Action Round for taking Battle actions. Neither type of Action Round allows you to take Open or Limited actions (you may use Open/Battle or Limited/Battle abilities as usual, but you do so to take Battle actions, not Open or Limited ones).
Alex
(*) Ok, very good: Yes, it will happen during the Dynasty Phase if you play Twist of Fate. But that essentially changes nothing about my answer: the battle would still have Engage, Combat and Resolution segments, each player would be able to take Engage or Battle actions in the appropriate segment, and neither play would be able to take Dynasty actions.