A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 28 October 2014
VtD text: Battle/Open: Remove one to three non-Ring cards in discard piles from the game. You may target a Personality and remove one of his abilities or boldface keywords (this turn). Take an additional action.
Isawa Tenkawa action: Air Open, : After the next time this phase another player's action targets one of your cards, negate its (remaining) effects.
Question:
Is Tenkawa`s action going to negate VtD removing cards from discard pile? Is removing cards a cost or just one of the effects of VtD?
Regards.
Mod Edit: Please use complete and correct card titles when asking questions. Thanks! -- MB2001
Brook Cunningham (rules official), 29 October 2014
VtD text: Battle/Open: Remove one to three non-Ring cards in discard piles from the game. You may target a Personality and remove one of his abilities or boldface keywords (this turn). Take an additional action.
Isawa Tenkawa action: Air Open, : After the next time this phase another player's action targets one of your cards, negate its (remaining) effects.
Question:
Is Tenkawa`s action going to negate VtD removing cards from discard pile? Is removing cards a cost or just one of the effects of VtD?
Regards.
Mod Edit: Please use complete and correct card titles when asking questions. Thanks! -- MB2001
Isawa Tenkawa's action will never negate the removal of cards by Victory Through Deference.
The removal of cards is an effect, but it doesn't target, therefore it won't trigger his negation. The optional targeting of a Personality COULD trigger Tenkawa's negation, if VTD's player chooses to even use it, knowing it would just be negated, but it occurs after the cards have been removed anyway, and negation won't retroactively undo instant effects such as those.