Dishonoring Akodo Dairuko xp2 (plus Shosuro Takazaki)

Akodo Dairuko xp2 reads: "After you destroy an enemy card during battle (including resolution), gain 1 Honor."

Dairuko is dishonored, and wins a battle against a 2 card army.

a) What comes first, Dairuko's trait or the honor gain by battle resolution? b) Disregarding the previous question (Shosuro Takazaki used her engage), does Dairuko trait produce 2 honor, or 1+1? (meaning: is all spent on rehonoring, or just 1 point?)

Thanks!

[EDIT: Mod edit of title, due to thread merging. -- MB2001]

a) In the scenario you describe, Dairuko's trait would trigger first. The loser's cards are first destroyed (triggering her trait), then the winner gains honor for each destroyed or rehonors his dishonorable Personalities instead (note: the sequence is different in a tied battle).

EDIT:

b) Dairuko's trait triggers each time you destroy a card, so in the case of multiple destructions happening simultaneously, she would first rehonor, then you would gain 1 honor. Even though the two cards' destruction is simultaneous, effects triggered by their destruction are resolved in a sequential manner (see Timing Conflicts, CR pg. 30).

HOWEVER, I should note that in your exact described scenario, Dairuko would not rehonor at all. Takazaki not only stops the normal Battle Resolution Honor gain, but all gains that happen in Resolution. See below!

In this question, a scenario is presented where Akodo Dairuko xp2 is dishonored and destroys cards in battle resolution that Shosuro Takazaki has used her engage.

To clarify the answer to that post: Does Dairuko gain honor before Takazaki negates the honor gain from Battle Resolution or does Takazaki negate any honor gain that might come from cards being destroyed in Battle Resolution?

EDIT 2: It seems my initial answer was in error. The definition of "for" from previous CRs was accidentally omitted from the Ivory one. It is thus:

"FOR: An effect that depends on another effect or occurrence is indicated by “for” wording. Example: An Honor loss “for” losing a duel is any Honor loss that is specifically contingent on losing a duel, be it an effect of the duel itself, a Reaction, a triggered trait, or something else.

“For” wording only refers to a specifically named consequence of the effect, not to a consequence arising from a chain of contingent effects. Example: In the case above, if a dishonorable Personality is destroyed for losing a duel, and his controller loses Honor, this is not an Honor loss “for” losing the duel, but an Honor loss for dying."

I was misremembering the second part, as to how "removed" a triggered trait is from its trigger to its effects, but such a thing is specifically mentioned in part 1.

Therefore, since Dairuko's Honor gain is indeed "for" destroying enemy cards, Takazaki would prevent it during/in battle resolution, and a dishonorable Dairuko would not rehonor from it.

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I don't understand the basis for this ruling. Takazaki makes no reference to the rulebook honour gain, just your cards destroyed in battle resolution. How (under the rules) does she differentiate between one source of gain for destroying Personalities during battle resolution and another source of gain for destroying Personalities during battle resolution?

Reversed.

See above.

As a follow up to this (viewtopic.php?f=59&t=108730), I'm finding that the ruling doesn't make sense to me; the initial ruling did, but Jon's follow up question got me thinking about it and now I don't see how Takazaki's ability would distinguish between different sources of honor gain in battle resolution.

I don't see how the use of the word "for" on both Takazaki's card and in part of the rulebook wording for battle resolution honor gain means that her ability only affects the rulebook source of battle resolution honor gain. If Dairuko's trait is triggered during battle resolution and Takazaki's ability was used in that battle, I would still think the ability applies to the honor gains coming from Dairuko, since the ability states that "Other players do not gain Honor for destroying your cards in this battle's resolution."

Reversed.

See above.