Hida Saiyuki with The Obsidian Dueling Grounds

L5R CCG Rules board, 23 April 2014

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 23 April 2014

I found the following:

continuing the conversation from this thread viewtopic.php?f=59&t=106845&sid=28c7a1a0ce57509c60bea78e71fca723#p1407179 does Hida Saiyuki receive the additional force bonus from other force pumping tokens that go directly on the personality such as:

[These assume that all conditions were met to apply the tokens] 1) A Doomseeker's Tomb - http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=10739 2) A Great Victory - http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=10568 3) Dagger of Crystal Wind - http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=10903 4) Humble House - http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=3510 5) Imminent Victory - http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=10601 6) Knowledge and Power - http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=10942 7) Oath of Fealty - http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=5641 8) The Obsidian Dueling Grounds - http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=10756 10) Today We Die - http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=8509 11) The Topaz Dojo - http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=10759 (Since these are almost all essentially the same thing you can answer them all with a yes or a no unless you see one or more that would be ruled differently than the others)

and does Reprisal give an additional +1F per card also (cumulative +2F per card in the unit)? Reprisal - http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=11286 Hantei Kanpeki Hohei Hohei

Posts: 69 Joined: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:27 pm Top Re: Hida Saiyuki continued Postby Bayushi Mamoru » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:59 pm

1-11 Yes, all these tokens are directly on the Personality, so Saiyuki would gain the bonus.

With Reprisal. Saiyuki's trait gains only an extra +1F regardless of how many cards are there in the unit because "for each" is meant to represent a single bonus. See here: Proportional effects using the term “for each”, such as “Gain 1 Honor for each Samurai you control,” should be interpreted as a single effect rather than numerous separate effects.

So if Saiyuki's unit has 3 cards, he gains +4F total (+3 from Reprisal, +1 from its trait)

My question:

If I use The Obsidian Dueling Grounds on Hida Saiyuki, does he gain (in essence) +4F or +6F?

Three +1F tokens and +1F for his trait, or Three +1F tokens and +3F for his trait?

A player, 23 April 2014

Saiyuki puts on steroids and gains +6F because every token is a separate force bonus.