The Shadowed Estate of the Scorpion v/s Deeds and Words

L5R CCG Rules board, 28 January 2014

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 28 January 2014

Stronghold: The Shadowed Estate of the Scorpion [PS8/GP4/SH1] Tireless Open: Name a Fate card, or name a Dynasty card in play. Negate the effects of the next action from a card with that title.

Holding: Deeds and Words Gold Cost: 2 Bow: Produce 2 Gold. Interrupt: If it is the Action Phase, reduce one of the Honor gains or losses from the action to 0. Destroy this Holding.

Question: If the target of Scorpion's Stronghold is my holding "Deeds and Words" and I use this holding. I Don't must destroy the holding??, because the ability from scorpion's stronghold negated the effect of my holding.

regards,

Ben Higgins (rules official), 28 January 2014

Stronghold: The Shadowed Estate of the Scorpion [PS8/GP4/SH1] Tireless Open: Name a Fate card, or name a Dynasty card in play. Negate the effects of the next action from a card with that title.

Holding: Deeds and Words Gold Cost: 2 Bow: Produce 2 Gold. Interrupt: If it is the Action Phase, reduce one of the Honor gains or losses from the action to 0. Destroy this Holding.

Question: If the target of Scorpion's Stronghold is my holding "Deeds and Words" and I use this holding. I Don't must destroy the holding??, because the ability from scorpion's stronghold negated the effect of my holding.

regards,

Under the Ivory Edition templating, the destruction of Deeds and Words is an effect, and thus would be negated by The Shadowed Estate of the Scorpion.