Does Disgrace prevent the targeting of Personalities in the discard pile by Shosuro Hawado or those in Provinces by Shosuro Hawado XP2?
Disgrace and cards not in play
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Does Disgrace prevent the targeting of Personalities in the discard pile by Shosuro Hawado or those in Provinces by Shosuro Hawado XP2?
Disgrace adds a restriction to your opponents' actions, it does not create an effect on your Personalities. Thus, your Personalities out of play may not be targeted as well as those in play.
On: Disgrace, Shosuro Hawado
Btw, note that Disgrace only affects Limited actions, not Open or Battle actions: Shosuro Hawado non-experienced's ability is Battle, for example; the ability on Duel to First Blood may used to take a Battle action, but not to take a Limited action.
Alex
In reference to this ruling: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=102536
Shosuro Hawado Exp 2 Limited: Target a card in a province: Discard it. Refill the province face-up.
Disgrace Until your Events Phase two turns from now begins, other players may not target your Personalities with Limited actions.
Question 1: If a player has a personality face-up can I discard it with Shosuro Hawado if Disgrace is in affect? (based on the reference ruling it looks like this is a NO). Question 2: If I target a face-down card and it is revealed to be a personality, what happens (and why)? Question 3: If a player has a personality face-down (known to me because of Otoro Estate) can I in good faith discard it with Shosuro Hawado if Disgrace is in affect?
[Edit: 11:23 - Okay I'm an idiot - Fixed]
In reference to this ruling: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=102536
Question 1: If a player has a personality face-up can I discard it with Shosuro Hawado if Disgrace is in affect? (based on the reference ruling it looks like this is a NO). Question 2: If I target a face-down card and it is revealed to be a personality, what happens (and why)? Question 3: If a player has a personality face-down (known to me because of Otoro Estate) can I in good faith discard it with Shosuro Hawado if Disgrace is in affect?
[Edit: 11:23 - Okay I'm an idiot - Fixed]
If I target a face-down card and it is revealed to be a personality, what happens (and why)? Until it is turned face up, it is assumed by game state to be nothing more than a face-down Dynasty card, and may be freely targeted by Shosuro Hawado Exp 2's action. After it has been targeted, there's no way to stop the effect of the action without some effect that explicitly negates or otherwise prevents it.
If a player has a personality face-down (known to me because of Otoro Estate) can I in good faith discard it with Shosuro Hawado if Disgrace is in affect? You might know what the card is, but game state does not. You are free to target it.
On: Shosuro Hawado, Disgrace