Hato-gurama and "Gifting"

L5R CCG Rules board, 13 March 2013

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 13 March 2013

If I have a Hato-Gurama in my hand and an effect like Ikoma Satoru's is available, is the Hato Gurama a viable choice for offering as a gift? I think "no", because the duck's trait says that I can't choose to discard it as a cost or effect of *my* own actions if I have other options in my hand, and if my opponent declined the duck I'd have to discard it. Alternatively, the answer is "yes" but when I would have to discard it nothing happens instead (I keep the duck).

Thanks!

Relevant Card Text:

Your minimum Fate deck size is decreased by one. You may not choose this card to be discarded as a cost or effect of your actions if you have other cards in your hand.

Limited: Show a card in your hand and choose another player: You offer it as a gift. He may put it in his hand; if he did, draw two cards. Otherwise, discard it, and Melee Attack with strength equal to its Focus Value targeting a Follower or Personality without Followers in his home.

Jon Palmer (rules official), 13 March 2013

If I have a Hato-Gurama in my hand and an effect like Ikoma Satoru's is available, is the Hato Gurama a viable choice for offering as a gift? I think "no", because the duck's trait says that I can't choose to discard it as a cost or effect of *my* own actions if I have other options in my hand, and if my opponent declined the duck I'd have to discard it. Alternatively, the answer is "yes" but when I would have to discard it nothing happens instead (I keep the duck).

Thanks!

Relevant Card Text:

In this case your opponent is the one making the choice to discard it, so Duck him all you want.