Thunder Dragon xp2 + Bad Kharma

L5R CCG Rules board, 20 February 2013 to 21 February 2013

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 20 February 2013

Greetings! Player A uses thunder dragon and his Kohaki (random non-human) to perform oblivious on my fragile courtier at home. Now, thunder dragon says that when he is chosen to perform actions, other players may not take reactions. I, however, want to play a reaction upon the announcement of the action .. Bad Kharma. Can you confirm that this is indeed legal since no performers have been chosen yet when he has announced the action?

Thunder Dragon xp2 8 5 10 / 13 /4 Mantis Clan • Nonhuman • Dragon • Thunder • Shugenja • Cavalry • Hero • Naval • Experienced 2 • Loyal • Unique After the Thunder Dragon performs an action: Other players may not take Reactions until it ends. The Thunder Dragon inspires. Your Mantis Clan Personalities have +1F and the ability, "Battle: Target an enemy card without unbowed attachments: Bow it.

Bad Kharma Reaction: After another player with Family Honor of -1 or lower announces an action on a Strategy: He ignores the action's costs. Negate its effects. 3FV

A player, 21 February 2013

First you announce the action (step A from playing an action) , then you choose performers (step B)

Bad Kharma is played after announcing the action so step B hasn't happened yet and Thunder Dragon XP2 hasn't been chosen yet. Bad Kharma wins.

A player, 21 February 2013

Follow up question to this please http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=101969

Would this follow that any action performed by Thunder Dragon xp2 can still be reacted with Entrenched position even though Thunder Dragon is just using its own ability to bow a card with no card attached?

Thanks.

Jon Palmer (rules official), 21 February 2013

Greetings! Player A uses thunder dragon and his Kohaki (random non-human) to perform oblivious on my fragile courtier at home. Now, thunder dragon says that when he is chosen to perform actions, other players may not take reactions. I, however, want to play a reaction upon the announcement of the action .. Bad Kharma. Can you confirm that this is indeed legal since no performers have been chosen yet when he has announced the action?

Thunder Dragon xp2 8 5 10 / 13 /4 Mantis Clan • Nonhuman • Dragon • Thunder • Shugenja • Cavalry • Hero • Naval • Experienced 2 • Loyal • Unique After the Thunder Dragon performs an action: Other players may not take Reactions until it ends. The Thunder Dragon inspires. Your Mantis Clan Personalities have +1F and the ability, "Battle: Target an enemy card without unbowed attachments: Bow it.

Bad Kharma Reaction: After another player with Family Honor of -1 or lower announces an action on a Strategy: He ignores the action's costs. Negate its effects. 3FV

Yes, and for the same reason. Despite the fact that you "know" the Thunder Dragon will be performing, you haven't reached Step B of the timing procedure, which is when it "performs" the action, and therefore the Thunder Dragon's restriction isn't in effect yet.