A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 4 November 2012
Hello, Just need confirmation about the incense master, Tamori Takeshi, Thanks in advance
Tamori Takeshi Dragon Clan • Artisan • Incense Master Open: Target your Personality: Takeshi helps him meditate. Effects of actions the target perfoms will not be negated.
1. Tamori Takeshi vs Shameful Injury or Creating order Will the force bonus performed by my personality targetted by Takeshi be negated with shameful injury? I.E. Togashi Osawa was helped to mediate by Takeshi. Osawa performs Pillar tattoo, can shameful injury negate the force bonus?
2. Takeshi + nerve strike + Incense Mill Can incense mill negate the nerve strike performed by the monk that was targetted by Takeshi's ability?
3. Takeshi + Destructive Priorities I have targeted my courtier with takeshi's Ability. My personality performs an action that gains honor (lets say Watchful eye dojo), when i bow that same personality for destructive priorities. I do gain honor and have the opponent lose honor at the same time correct?
Thank you
Jon Palmer (rules official), 16 November 2012
Hello, Just need confirmation about the incense master, Tamori Takeshi, Thanks in advance
Tamori Takeshi Dragon Clan • Artisan • Incense Master Open: Target your Personality: Takeshi helps him meditate. Effects of actions the target perfoms will not be negated.
1. Tamori Takeshi vs Shameful Injury or Creating order Will the force bonus performed by my personality targetted by Takeshi be negated with shameful injury? I.E. Togashi Osawa was helped to mediate by Takeshi. Osawa performs Pillar tattoo, can shameful injury negate the force bonus?
2. Takeshi + nerve strike + Incense Mill Can incense mill negate the nerve strike performed by the monk that was targetted by Takeshi's ability?
3. Takeshi + Destructive Priorities I have targeted my courtier with takeshi's Ability. My personality performs an action that gains honor (lets say Watchful eye dojo), when i bow that same personality for destructive priorities. I do gain honor and have the opponent lose honor at the same time correct?
Thank you
"Will not be negated" takes precedence over negation.
Therefore:
1. Shameful Injury and Creating Order will not negate force bonuses from actions the Personality performs.
2. Incense Mill will not negate an effect performed by the Personality that prevents another Personality from taking an action
3. If you generated the honor gain with an action performed by the Personality, it will not be negated by Destructive Priorities. Since the honor gain negation is an effect of Destructive Priorities, not a cost, you can still cause the honor loss as well as gaining the honor.