Bayushi Goshiu xp vs Hantei Naseru

L5R CCG Rules board, 22 October 2012

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A player, 22 October 2012

this came up in a game last sunday.

i have my personality dishonored. my opponent then uses Shame [to lose 7 honor] on my personality.

i reacted with my Hantei Naseru

Political Reaction: Any number of times per turn, before a player loses Honor, discard the Imperial Favor: Negate the loss.

my opponent then reacted with his Bayushi Goshiu xp

Political Reaction: Any number of times per turn, but only once per action, before another player's action resolves, if its effects would negate an Honor loss, bow Goshiu: Negate the action's effects.

can i react again with Hantei Naseru?

Thanks

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 22 October 2012

this came up in a game last sunday.

i have my personality dishonored. my opponent then uses Shame [to lose 7 honor] on my personality.

i reacted with my Hantei Naseru

my opponent then reacted with his Bayushi Goshiu xp

can i react again with Hantei Naseru?

Thanks

Yes, you may react again with Naseru. The sequence is this:

1. Shame is about to give its loss. 1A. You react to the loss with with Naseru's action, discarding the Favor to pay the cost. 1Aa. Before Naseru's action resolves, Goshiu Reacts to its resolution, negating its negation effect, so the loss will still occur. 1B. Does your opponent have a Reaction to Shame's loss? No. Pass. 1C. Do you have another Reaction to Shame's loss? Yes! Naseru's Reaction may be taken any number of times per turn. Here's the kicker, though. Can you pay the cost of discarding the Favor again (notice, at no point above was your first discarding "refunded")? If not, it is illegal to announce Naseru's Reaction again, since you can't pay for it. But if you have some means of doing so (Acquiring Favor, Kyuden Otomo, etc), go for it.