Sun and Moon #rules-questions

Kuni wastealnds When bringing a Shadowlands card into play, pay 1 less Gold, or pay 4 less Gold if it is entering play from this Province. The accumulated says: Kuni Wastelands The two cost reductions are not cumulative. [DW, l5rinfo, 11/19/96] Affects all Shadowlands cards played by you. That means Fate cards as well as Dynasty. [card text] The pharse when brining of the stronghold is for they pay. After that, it gets shadowlands, so as a player says, they are not cumulative because it gains shadowalnds awhen coming into play

That used to be the case in earlier editions, right? When did it change?

pal someone scamed You hard.... was You playing with Scorpion?

Earlier i think.

Nah, in lotus that was still the case

Ah, just checked and you are both right. 😄

I learn something new here pretty much every week

Oh yeah my bad I was browsing my cards and it was within the CW cards

Ok thanks!

Black bugs printed only I take it?

This may also be helpful https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Legend_of_the_Five_Rings

In a way I can see how it makes sense to have 2 bugs for rotation but thats also why im a little confused about this lol

Have you checked (link) and DropBox link. It should answer all of your questions (in specific files).

Like Ivory/20F tournaments legality is in Tournament folder and in Floor Rules there.

Yeah i was looking through it its a great resource thanks a lot guys I really appreciate the help

Thanks for the quick responses!

Corollary: Egg can’t copy one of your bowed personalities.

It is a corollary on the original question that was already [Jade]

Yes, you can, since it targets a Ninja.

[Open]

Oh so I can equip Bayushi Togai with Poison Dartgun for free if he has the Journal attached? @Brook Cunningham Not sure if you remember my question from way back haha

Also for [Imperial]

If my Goshiu-exp (overlayed) is dead in my pile, can I target the Basic version with Return of The Fallen Lord?

No. If you already controlled that Unique card, you could not bring another copy into play.

I d say you can

Oh okay. got it.. but in our custom format Old Border Only it's legal... 😋

Whoa cool I did not know that it keeps the underlying ability, that's actually better imo

Same with Feign Death I assume?

and one of my pet cards... A Greater Destiny?

Cool

In this version it's explicitly mentioned...

But i could pay the rest of the reduced cost for the follower using the SH ?

In our JadeEx event you need to follow this: (link)

So if there exists a printing of such card with Jade bug, its legal. Not all cards in SnM database may link to such version but you may include any version and play it as specific Jade bugged version.

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assuming [jade] rulings this won't make you lose and I doubt they ever reversed it

Thanks, seems very good then

If you suffer multiple losses of honor simultaneously, you do not merge them into one big loss. Each lossmust be dealt with individually. [summary of other rulings]

1998 accumulated rulings

thanks

[Jade/Legacy] : When i play with "The New Akasha" and use "Oath of Fealty" (either in Jade(Ext) or Legacy) do crab personalities lose the +1F/+1C bonus from the SH, as they are not Crab anymore ?

yeah in either format they would lose their original faction traits and thus lose any benefit you would get for them being crabs since crab is a faction trait

jade lists some exceptions for like ninja or monks swearing fealty but crab clan is just crab clan

Both + old card template. Perfection.

https://images.oracleofthevoid.com/l5r/9b/d7/printing_8106_1_details.jpg

Format tag please. I believe its something really niche as Emperor era Legacy draft as this Stronghold (and any other Draft Strongholds) are banned in nearly every Legacy/Open format.

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in the legacy rules for ninjutsu it specifies that the ninjutsu rules only are in effect if there is an ability that allows at least one player to look at the face down card with ninjutsu (probably shiro no soshi) I'm sure it could be possible to create a convoluted situation to get around this but i think basically you would have to have Shiro no Soshi and The Governor's Estate as your stronghold at the same time somehow otherwise this just probably would never come up

Thanks for the replys, i normally play open with my local group and ive been playing a ninjustu deck lately and i saw the stronghold and thought it was a weird interaction, i didnt realise those strongholds wernt ment to be play outside of a draft format, (i didnt play at the time they were printed) so i was wondering if there was rulings on those sort of interactions.

Absolutely

Why does it override the Deadly Ground ability? Since negating isn’t destroying the terrain

When i activate first Bayushi ability agains a player with o-ushi sensei, can he change the stat to force? Is first Bayushi ability only permanent on him?

And is Bayushi second ability only permanent on himself and until end of turn for the rest?

was a duel from benjiro

And can you make an example of that?

thanks

Lovely thanks for your answers

So, o ushi sensei can change a Testo of Honor to a Test of “Strength”, right?

Check as in compare, I imagine

So it does not prevent Hida Amoro from being kolat mastered/assassined

Before the resolution of another player's card's action that targeted one of your Personalities: Each time it checks your Personalities' Chi or Personal Honor, you may have it check the Personality's Force instead. After your Personality enters a duel, if the duel was from another player's card's effect: You may choose to have your Personality use Force as his duel stat in that duel. You will not gain Honor from duels.

So why it doesn't stop Kolat Master?

because the targeting has already occured and the target was already leagal.

the diff with ToH is that despite the target being legal, on reolution it is targeting strength so likely it will fail

is that not the same as a range attck?

what do you mean=

6F peep get's targeted with a 6RA reaction to the range attack Sun Setting Strike get's played now the peep is 9F ra hits but fails to kill the peep

Sensei even with the new wording says "Before resolution of another player's"

no because kolats are targeting requirement and ranged are checked on resolution against the strength

exaclty before resolution but after targeting

it already fulfilled the targeting

you are switching before resolution

yes

but kolat actions say target a personality with X chi that s on targeting

then once target is said on resolution you kill/strewl

ranged on targeting has non constraitns you can target a personality of strength 10 with a ranged attack of 2

yet, on resolution it will fail

I'm kind of there as well. I was going to argue that it stops it, but I can't quite see how. The "printed wording" would make O-Ushi Sensei stop KM, as an example. From what I recall, that's how it was played back then, but my memory on that is fuzzy, and nothing in the Accumulated Rulings talks about it.

Ok but do you see where the issue is? @Brook Cunningham

but isn't it supported by the Jade rulesbook? What I understand is that first you target then resolve the action. So, resolution happens when the action resolves and the sensei explicitly says before resolution and that is after targeting happend and all the requirements have been met

does that make more sense a player ?

nope

again the targeting is not the problem

But if the targeting is when the target requirements are checked and met or not which is a stage before the resolution of thea ction stage and in that stage o ushi has not even checked the card. And targeting has been legal, how would it fail on resolution?

retroactiveloy going to target and making it fail?

in those 2 paragraph doesn't tell me if I can react

React with what?

What we have been talking about the O-Ushi sensei

0th pay costs 1st targeting 2nd resolution

In the middle of 1st and 2nd happens O ushi sensei check

Just at of curiosity What are you thinking if KM get's played and I apply the sensei?

What do you mean?

If I play KM on a legal target and you apply sensei, the Kolat master will successfully resolve regardless the strength of the target personality

What do you mean with what am I thinking?🤔

Nvm all good

Yeah o-ushi says before resolution. On the orcacle side for KM and KA there is a “:” so the targeting and checking already happened before resolution. But if you go as the base card wording the checking and targeting happens during resolution.

[Imperial]

Does the ability or stat it last copied get removed before the new duel starts?

Yeah, including the MRP clarification as well as the overall template rewording.

The moment it issues a new challenge using that ability, the previously-copied stat/ability is wiped.

Thanks

[OBH] Does copying a personality that has madness tokens and Force/Chi tokens with Egg of P'an Ku copy the tokens? And if it doesn't copy the tokens, does the copy have the unmodified or the modified stats?

In legacy, no tokens were copied as they weren't on the card. The Stat copied will be the total when the tokens modifiers were calculated. The effects of Tokens that only lasted for a time weren't taken into account.

From JE rulebook:

Beware those Enough Talk🚨

thanks

Okay. Thank you for your time.

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Got it, thanks

Does the recon survive after a phase ends? For example, if I target a province in the open Phase, during the battle phase the game remembers that I have recon?

Thanks!

[JadeEx] How the hell does this resolve? Does the dragon guy die before the duel can continue? Or does the effect of the focused card apply before it takes effect?

like, he's gonna die after the duel regardless, but, during the duel, is the focused card considered to add to his chi?

accumulated rulings 2000: Note that cards focussed in a duel add their focus values to Chi immediately upon being played. [Emerald Edition rulebook] This means Poisoned Weapon no longer instantly kills low-Chi Personalities regardless of their focussing. [REVERSAL]

I was able to find that.

what is the tricky part here then?

well, I didn't when I posted the question, and it took me a bit.

oh well nevermind then

i hadn't checked to see what all the cards in the screenshot were so I thought there might be more to this

follow-up questions: 1) If I choose to negate the shadowland part, only the one I target would be dishonored right? (assuming both of them are honorably personalities)

2) What does it mean cav units led by a scout with one or no attachments? I thought it meant that at least one of my units should fulfill that condition (considering that unit as the leader of my army)

Ok. got it. Thanks a player I got both Strongholds wrong... you might want to check this

It's similar to the scenario where an effect removes force bonusses from tokens, right?

@everyone There's new feature in Oracle. Cards got links to rulings from various FAQ documents.

https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=4418,#cnprintingid=1

Not from all we gathered (yet), but there's more incoming i think.

Thamks Who maintains tbe oracle?

Thank you a player

Thanks all. I wasn't sure how long that update to several thousand cards was going to take so I fell asleep before it was done and missed making the announcement.

[jade]

I have Regions of Rokugan revealed in my rightmost provice. I use it to go fetch Plains of Otosan Uchi and attach it to my rightmost province.

Do I reveal the second card placed I placed on the “second subprovince” of Plains of Otosan Uchi in that same turn?

https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=5979

But in Lotus you could.

That might have confused me.

So in the context of Jade: no🤝

Nice this is really great

I'm pretty sure it was that way until lotus wackiness

the p59 is probably the smoking gun.

So it's just a matter of specific Diamond and Lotus versions that contain info you may refill in order you want. Pre Diamond Plains doesn;t have such info. And Emperor one got completely new wording too.

[Imperial]

If the NSS copies Kachiko's ability and all used on a Personality and it's not enough to kill the Personality and the turn ends, do the Seduction tokens given by the NSS get removed?

Kachiko also used her ability on the Personality

Before pearl, no. Then it was Open: Once per turn, the Ninja Shapeshifter can copy the Force, the Chi, the Personal Honor, or one ability of any one Personality in play, until the end of the turn. All tokens created by a copied ability are destroyed at the end of the turn." [MRP, Pearl Edition] but if both targeted the same personality, all seduction tokens are removed when kachiko straightens or is destroyed, because all af them are seduction tokens

Ok as long as Kachiko is in play, Seduction tokens won't get removed even though NSS stops having the ability at the end of turn? In Clan Wars/ Imperial

Yep

They disappear even if the NSS targets another personality, because it says all tokens , not all tokens in that target

Sorry I'm a bit confused

When kachiko straightens or is killed, all seduction tokens are destroyed. It doesn't matter who creates them or where they are are

The destroyed part was added in obsidian eads, "Bayushi Kachiko 0F/2C -HR 10G 1PH Scorpion Clan Seductress. Unique. Limited: Bow to put a -1C seduction token on any Personality. Add a seduction token each turn she chooses not to straighten. If Seductress straightens or is destroyed, all seduction tokens are removed. May remain bowed." [MRP, Obsidian Edition

So if you play clan wars and kachiko is destroyed, the tokens stay.

Obsidian is also under Clan Wars though

Then consider that the text in kachiko. Not an expert in formats

Sorry just saw a Ruling on Copying Only the copied ability itself, tokens created by it, and effects whose durations depend on the originating card (for example, "until this card straightens") disappear at the end of the turn. Non-token changes with set durations (like "permanent" or "until your next Straighten Phase"), changes in state (bowing, destruction, etc.), and changes to Family Honor persist normally. [rulebook, and DW, l5rinfo, 3/11/97. also l5rinfo 2/99]

So I think the Seduction tokens created by NSS is removed end of turn. Sad...

Then so it is. Probably the errata on NSS was to write this rule in the card

I need to reread a lot of rules..

OK, was double checking. thanks

Thanks!

Discarded means in your discard pile

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Yes, its once per turn player's ability.

Same for 20F naval.

[3D] Can I use this if the personality is destroyed at battle resolution?

Yes

Follow up question: Does it happen before or after the province is destroyed?

After, as technically the army and province are destroyed simultaneously

[3D] What happens if I declare Naval against a personality who has this weapon attached?

The trait triggers and reverts first Battle action to your opponent

Thank you! a player you were right

for as much good as it did me 🙁

Got it, thanks

@Brook Cunningham Don got hands on my shattered backup of AEG forum rules 2007-2015 so they should be in Oracle soon. Probably no more forum pages screenshots from me 😄

yeah, looks like i was able to pull about 9k rulings from it

going to attempt to have the bot sift through applicability automatically

also pulling 3k rulings from this channel.

i'm guessing there's a lot of overlap, so we'll see how it can condense it.

related: I ran a claude PRO, then claude MAX out of tokens this week.

[3D] Sorry if this was ask already, does bamboo harvesters counts as part of the deck_ or we need to have 41 dynasty cards?

41

Bamboo Harvesters works for peeps going second

Also, I cannot Utter Defeat a character dead by Wedge (same [Jade] context), correct? As Wedge kills after the battle not at battle and even though if it were in battle I couldn ‘t target. Where as I can Feing Death (since the 2004 ruling won’t apply)

Yes, it does. Thanks!

Just to be super clear, the trait also works if the strategy creates a duel using PH?

In this case, the Active player gets to react first, right? Active meaning it’s their turn or cos it’s their action that initiated the duel? Hope that makes sense…

- with Strength of the Divine: Can the trait be used to give the personality +2 Chi instead of +2 PH

Imperial was active player gets first shot

it was not uncommon to have "start a duel and murder them" in non-dueling decks in imperial.

[3D] Just to be 300% sure. If I target my courtier with Storm Heart, the Stronghold's trait would be useless since my personality is not a magistrate, right?

Thanks!

https://klipy.com/gifs/the-road-to-el-dorado-both

Looks at Bayushi Jurobei