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Is a stronghold considered a "card" for CGHXp
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Yes. As of the Ruleset contemporary to CGH, Strongholds are cards.
Just one more thing about that card... Can his Reaction be used more than once per turn if you play different Personalities in that turn or is it only once per turn at all ?
Reactions as any other action, are once-per-turn since Lotus - so no. Pre Lotus Reactions are mostly any-times-per-turn. For Legacy just check Oracle to be sure.
What section on here tells me how to install the program to play games I'm not the best computer person
Found it
Ok... can we get some timing here? My opponent was saying that the dark ring is played, and then waits until the discard step of the action sequence before it hits the discard pile. I argued that because it requires that I discard it to do the action, it hits the discard pile before the "discard step" of the action sequence.
The order of operations in question was... I Dark Ring of Air a target, False Shikei has a trait that straightens him when a ring is discarded, and the Tao of Kokujin as a response can bow someone after the ring was discarded if it was a dark ring... my argument was that dark ring gets discarded, false shikei straightens, I then have an opportunity in the response step to bow him.
My opponent said no, because the ring is discarded during the "discard step" of the action sequence, so before the response step takes place.
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Edit: so this is easier than I was making it out to be. Long story short, Responces happen after effect. Shikei is straight before the Response step.
Whether your opponent was right or wrong (they were wrong, for the record, though), the Response comes after Shikei would straighten regardless, so it could then bow him.
But he needs to understand why... I tried explaining it, but apparently I wasn't doing a good job.
Anybody out there have a good way of explaining the timing?
Strategies get discarded during step F of the action sequence. The Ring explicitly discards itself as part of the resolution of the action, step E. the window to announce reactions was inserted after E, so its technically E.5
It would be much cleaner however, if the Discarding could be included in the Cost somehow
Oh, are Responses after E before F? My mistake then. I thought they were after everything, including discard. Well, then it does matter that the opponent was wrong, sequentially speaking.
Yes "response" step is between E and F
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The problem I was having was explaining that the action itself was discarding the card, not the "discard step"
Gotcha. Sorry I was initially partially incorrect in what I said.
I just couldnt explain it in a way that made sense I guess.
no apology needed. its always good to cite my source- im not nearly as renowned for rules as you are
But yeah, the card itself explicitly says discard it or bow it. Strategies played from hand usually don't say that, so step F is needed for them. If they did say that, they would be discarded in step E
Yeah I tried explaining that the discard step was mostly for strategies, but he was insistant
and I am not a good teacher for some people
its similar logic to an effect saying "bow this personality" in the effect, instead of having the bow symbol as a cost. It would move the bowing of the personality from step B (cost) to step E (effect).
I answered him in Onyx Rules channel. Hopefully that settles it.
also, side note, I was today years old when I realized most of the framework is an easy acryonm. Announce Buy or bow Choose targets D (gotta work interrupt here somehow) Effect Finish by discarding.
D = Don't resolve that just yet, I have an Interrupt! 😉
Damn, I SAID STOP!
How can i use this guy? I need two action for final efect?
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pretty sure you just cant copy political abilities on personalities that happen to copy other abilities
like your Kitiaru couldnt copy your opponent's Kitiaru ability
Kitiaru can copy a Political ability on any Personality in play (as long as that ability doesn't also copy abilities). So, if your opponent has a copy of Kitiaru, yours couldn't copy his ability (as was said above as I typed this 😛 ). But there are plenty of other positive examples. Like, Kitiaru could copy Agasha Kodo's ability (if Kodo is on play, on your or the opponent's side) to straighten a Holding; then Kitiaru could straighten a Holding as your next action after copying it.
Okey, so i need two action, one! Copy abilitie, second! Use copied ability
Here is a question I feel like I know the answer to, but I'm absolutely not confident in my answer. If have some character in play - Doji Tim (not unique) - and I have Doji Tim XP (unique) and Doji Tim XP2 (unique) in my provinces, I'm not required to overlay, correct? I could, in theory, simply pay the gold cost for the XP and XP2 version and bring them into play?
Overlay is indeed not mandatory, so yes you can buy either normally.
But one flaw with your example; you can't have Doji Tim Unique E1 and Doji Tim Unique E2 in play at the same time. So, you could pay and put into play normally one of those without overlaying, or you could overlay one, your choice; but you couldn't bring both into play at once by either method.
Right. Unique applies to the name of the card and it checks against the name. I could, in theory, have a non unique Doji Tim wandering around and then either overlay it with E1 and pay the cost for E2 having an E1 and E2 in play, or leave the standard version out, pay for the E1 and then at some point overlay the E2 over the E1?
(My instincts were, indeed, wrong)
Seems mostly correct, though I'm not sure we're fully on the same page. What do you mean by "overlay it with E1 and pay the cost for E2"? Sounds like both E1 and E2 in play at once, which is still a no-no.
Yep, defaulted to the no-no. Man I'm rusty.
I can have any number of a non-unique personality in play, but only one unique copy, regardless of what level of experience.
There we go! Yep, that is correct.
You can have two unique Doji Tim in deck? Exp 1 and Exp2?
yes
Ok, thnx
but only 1 in play
Next question, if naval personality get no-naval attachment, did he loose naval? Its like cavalry?
No. The Naval Rulebook ability doesn't depend on the entire unit being Naval like Cavalry one does. Also, it's only Followers that determine that, not all attachments.
Anyway as you have Role you should be more specific what format/edition you are asking for. Eg Naval Invasion has different requirements and effects in Emperor and in 20F (so also in other alternate Formats like OBH Legacy or Modern).
In Emperor Naval must be performed by Naval Personality (so no Naval from Follower unless its ability is also performed by its Personality) while in 20F you may play any action from card in Naval Personality unit.
But as already said above, even in Emperor Edition Rules, there's still no requirement that the Personality's entire unit be Naval; only that you are Attacker and that you have more Naval cards in your army than the Defending army.
Yes, you right, i will be more specific
Under Samurai Rules. Can misdirection be used on a bowed courtier out of the battle?
Yes. Reactions are not bound by the Rules of Presence and Location, and the Rule prohibiting targeting your own bowed cards was already long gone.
Hello guys, question with Tetsuo. The samurai version didnt had kensai, just wondering if he got kensai only in celestial?
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Correct. Michio, also from Words and Deeds, didn't have it in his initial printing either. Kensai wasn't even a thing until TotE&JC, 2 sets into Samurai, and it didn't evolve into a Spider theme until later still.
Hello! When a non-tactician is granted tactician via Kenson Gakka, or Aranai sensei, are they able to gain force bonuses through White Shore Plain or Coordinated Assault?
Thank you!
Both ability gained by White Shore Plain and Coordinated Assault are Tactical abilities, so no, they don;t gain bonuses from those actions if you play GK.
No, for the reasons Kempy said above. EDIT: Nevermind; KG Oracle text is fine. My ability to read text on my phone is what's lacking.
Isnt Aranai different though?
Hmm probably should look at that yeah. Because Akodo Sensei did give the force, and kenson gakka was kind of the spiritual successor of Akodo Sensei
Somehow I overlooked Aranai when answering.
Aranai is indeed different than Akodo Sensei and Kenson Gakka. Aranai Sensei only prevents them gaining the Tactical Advantage Rulebook ability, nothing more.
^ a player
It's just really hard because some things that happened in Jade are more Mandela effects or hearsay. So anytime I see something that doesn't mean with what I remember from Jade I really have to be mindful.
Hida Otoya gives strait up tactician to a personality.
Clarification on Togashi Shozo's trait. Do I draw an additional card for each ring or just 1 card?
"Once per turn, before you draw a card: Look at a number of cards from the top of your Fate deck equal to 1 plus the number of Rings you control. Draw any of those instead of only the top card."
Just want to clarify due to the "draw any of those" phrase.
No, still just one. Sorry, I see that the Oracle reword was less clear than intended; will fix.
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Can i used the printed action on/from a bowed personality?
Assuming the ability is not Tireless, no you can't; at least, not as the additional action. You can Legacy a bowed guy, forego the additional, straighten him, and then use the ability a second time.
hey, so its Stupid Question Hour.
Could you, if you really wanted to, use Reprisal to declare an attack against yourself?
Or, follow up question if it works as how I think it works, if you attack, play reprisal to make them attack you immediately? assuming that you have ways to force participation (defeated, House of Suikihime, etc)
I ask mostly because the card says you declare the attack against the current attacker. Comprehensive says that the person declaring the attack is the attacker and the other player is the defender.
One rule has to bend to the card, common sense would suggest the opponent gets to be the one declaring the attack off your card, but that is not actually how its worded....
I'm pretty sure the rules prevent you from ever attacking yourself, but Reprisal is also worded that this series of events couldn't happen
I can tell you from the 20F printing none of that works (as Techno just also said). Could you show me the Onyx to confirm?
This is the one that my data base is pulling up. I see an older version which would explicitly prevent it, but this one does not
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let me look in the online folder to verify
verified- the one i posted is the one from the offical images
Now, this one, from an older iteration of Onyx, would explicitly prevent it-
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Yeah, I see some of the explicitly preventative clauses were dropped possibly accidentally from that later version, so I'd have to check the CR for explicit preventatives which I can't right now, but sensically, you cannot declare an attack against yourself.
Right. But since Cards overwrite Rules, sensically would it cause your opponent to gain an attack on you? That you can force participation in?
No. Declaring an attack makes you the Attacker.
The active "declare" verb implicitly only refers to you the action taker.
So, that part is immutable.
Okay, so what i'm getting is that if I have an attacking opposed personality with 2 attachments and I play this card, I get +3F and when combat ends, since that is not a "may" the card creates an impossible gamestate
So, the declaration fails. If an effect tries to do something that can't be done, it fails.
Shame, but understandable. That said, it sounds like it goes so far as to make the new phase before fizzling, which means its another -1 on House of High Waters. If you ever wanted a super niche use of a card lol
More importantly I can't use it to break my own province, which makes me sad.
It's allowed to activate something that cannot legally resolve?
Yes. It's a cardinal cornerstone of L5R that you can do things you know will partially/fully fail.
Like, if you target a guy with the "cannot move" trait with an action that gives him +2F and moves him home, he'll get the Force and stay right there.
Where are the bushido keyword rules located (compassion, courtesy etc...) i can't seem to locate them?
Compassion and Courtesy are in 20F Comprehensive Rules.
Im cntrl F in the document and im not seeing anything.
Sorry. I was wrong.
I was sure they were there.
Compassion was introduced in late 20F and CR wasnt updated. Just check any card with compassion from Thunderous Acclaim in Oracle. Its described right on the card.
https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=11892 courtesy was also on cards.
https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=12330 Compassion
for Onyx/ShE, you can also check the Rules Datasheet in our files section on the website (I believe both rules have stayed the same since introduction)
Thank you both
Courtesy was introduced in TNO Compassion in ThA Honor in EP Sincerity in TBS
Honesty was intended for RoJ and we added Duty to round them out after we started Onyx Lives!
Hello guys, question under gold edition rules. Does Asako Yuya, can bow the spell and herself for 2 shugenjas for rituals, like Importune Kami ?
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No. She substitutes bowing the Spell for herself, you can't go back and bow her additionally.
if I ambush somebody is my personailty considered to be in an army while at the ambush battlefield?
Yep.
Can you Master of Puppets to redirect the initial sacrifice to Overwhelmed to your opponent and then also make them suffer the effect normally?
Answers on: Master of Puppets
No. Master of Puppet's extra "as if" clause lets you bounce an opponent's action to one of his own cards that could be a target if it was your action, like a Ranged Attack. It cannot let you bounce your own action targeting your own card to one of his.
I will grant you MoP does appear to be missing the word "legal" between "different" and "Shadowlands", but it is implicit insofar as the entire rest of the clause about the action being allowed to target an otherwise non-legal target would be pointless.
Ill grant you that i failed to consider that your opponent can't meet the requirement of being the highest force you control, but otherwise I don't see a reason it can't bounce one of your actions over, say a "bow your target shugenja to x"
Because it can only bounce actions otherwise non-legal targets to "as if you were taking them". If you're already the person taking the action, it can't do that.
ah got it
Can you use the Eyes Gaze to copy someones ability onto themselves? i.e. target the same person twice?
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Yep. Technically, nothing prevents that.
They would have to be at the current battlefield, not any location, to legally also be the second target, though, of course.
If I have multiple units at the battlefield, and the highest force one is bowed, can I overwhelm with my unbowed person because they have the highest force of all my current unbowed personalities, or is this saying of all personalities period?
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example from game: he has a 5 force bowed personality, a 4 force and a 2 force unbowed personalites.
an attempt was made to sacrifice the 4 force, is that legal?
It checks the force of your highest unbowed Personality, not the highest force of any of your Personalities. Bowed Personalities are basically ignored for checking who you destroy to play this
In Jim's example, the 4F guy gets sacked
it explicitly says all of all personalities, not all unbowed
It checks all in case you have multiple unbowed Personalities. The requirement will still only allow the sacking of your unbowed Personality
So you can't sac the 2F guy cause the 4F guy is bigger, nor the 5F guy cause he's bowed
I think we’ll need to check with @Brook Cunningham on this one. My understanding is that it checks all your personalities for force but can only go off if the highest is unbowed
Note that the destruction clause at the end has the same wording and does check and kill bowed personalities
Guys come on read the card
It looks like this. Otherwise it should say "with the highest Force of all unbowed Personalities you control at the current battlefield".
it's from Diamond era FAQ, but still valid.
It's pointed that highest Force is checked around all Personalities, and bowing doesn't change Personality's Force.
In DIamond version also it looks like this:
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a player and @kempy_nezumi are correct. a player , you are mistaken.
We did, that's the problem.
So just so im getting in straight, If your are playing Overwhelmed and your highest force personality is bowed, nothing happens. If you are the one on the other side, your dude will die if they are bowed OR unbowed. (assuming they are the only one at the battle, if they have multiple bowed or unbowed people they can send two home)
If the highest force peep is bowed he can't be targeted
has to be unbowed
The initial cost destruction has to happen. If costs can't be met, the card can't be played
Close. In that first scenario, you can't legally play Overwhelmed because you have no legal target. So, more like "can't play" rather than "nothing happens".
Ok got it
ty
If your opponent can play Overwhelmed, your personality/ies may be bowed or unbowed when destroyed/moved home
To be fair, I didn't read it the way you all are saying, I was with Technogashi, but this sample card is written in much more reasonable terms for my personal understanding.
And in fairness, I'd say the point of confusion in the newer wording is understandable. I had never ended up in such a situation and I could see myself able to reach the incorrect conclusion during the heat of sn intense match
I THOUGHT THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE PLAYED
if your highest force person ||minus ties|| is BOWED, its an unplayable card
SHEEEESHHHHHHH, Anj was unofficaly-unspokenly-no-witnesses-can-verify-this-claim-RIGHT!
I have definitely misread this card then. But most people use it with a solo chump blocker anyway so I’ve never seen this scenario
At least it's not a cost anymore. If the card gets negated somehow (I can only think of 2 cards that negate it), you keep your personality again, unlike in the shown Diamond version
I am not sure if You understood what was written, on the card and also in the discusion.
I read what was written on the discussion
so I surely dont get Your comment
and on top os that Overwhelmed is kind of tricky card
Kairok said basically the same thing I said two posts under theirs.
I have read the card I even played games when the card was used against me. The part I don't understand is what was the part that was confusing
lol nobody was confused, we were quite convinced and certain... lol
weak and feeble minds are easily confused 😂
one of those cards is [Break Ranks] RIGHT?!...... RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT? 😄 😄
No
Break Ranks unfortunately can't activate
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wait, why can't [Break Ranks] activate?
because of the timing
Announce [Overwhelmed]----> Interrupt with [Break Ranks]----> no enemy is at the battlefield----> [Overwhelemed] is negated?
Break Ranks requires that your personality be targeted
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there are ways around Overwhelmed it's not the difficult of a card
correct
"move home one of your personalities targeted by it"
Unless we are once again changing the timing of things lol
You are the first person I've interacted that claims this. I guess thats why it's one of the most asked about cards here, in the rules question channel.
the thing is that Over don't target, the opposing player does the targeting
Currently I can only think of 2 cards in the game that can currently negate it.
"ways around it" are... run the 2 negation cards, use a bunch of bodies so you can run home... that's basically it. lol
oh wait... there is technically another card in the new set
Bitter Truths!
You forgot move actions
... sure... you can move yourself home before they play the card...
lol
Op another dude, Jinn-Kuen!
Oh and Oracle of Earth
this set added a bunch
The delayed targeting and the fact that overwhelmed makes your opponent target his own personalities are what complicate the card. So here’s a question for @Brook Cunningham ; would Break Ranks (pictured above) negate Overwhelmed? I’m thinking no since, at the ‘play interrupts’ timing window, Overwhelmed hasn’t targeted my opponent’s personality yet. If, on the other hand, Break Ranks creates a ‘floating effect’ then it would negate Overwhelmed once the targeting occurs.
Answers on: Break Ranks
I guess that comes down to how long interrupts persis. Presumably the entire action, it is responding to?
No, Break Ranks does what it does when you play it; it doesn't float around waiting.
So Overwhelmed forcing your opponent to pick is why it won't work?
The core issue is the same reason why most (modern) negates don't work on it- the Interrupt window is before the victim is targeted.
Updated to reflect post Ivory. I can't speak to Reaction timings
Not in this case. You play interrupts after mandatory targets are chosen but before effects resolve. The only mandatory target is the highest force personality of the person playing Overwhelmed. The other targets are chosen later at which point you can no longer play interrupts
If I use 2 seperate nitoshi's gift second actions on the same target, do they have to destroy 2 cards?
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Yes. Each gift creates a separate floating effect.
Hi, Togashi's Daisho counts as a ring for actions. Does this mean Tsushima and Shikei xp2 can put it into play, and would this be without gold cost or with gold cost?
Yes, they can, and it would go straight to the discard pile:
CR, pg 102, "Attachments may only enter play by being attached to a Personality, are discarded if in play and not attached to a Personality"
Not sure if you'd have to pay for that or not, but is it really relevant given the answer above? 😛
Oh I see, so attachments cannot be attached by effects that put them into play unless there is a specific card effect saying they can be attached... I get it now
So... if I bow this during my opponents turn and target my guy, and then my turn happens, when does the gifting of the tokens happen vs. when do I choose to unbow it?
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like... can I just use it on each of my opponent's turns to keep them from targeting my guy and then get a token and unbow it?
Unbowing happens simultaneous with start of turn, but the token happens "after" your turn begins. So, nope.
A little wonky if we don't have an unbow step
Hmmmm... it seems "start of turn" is outside of the action phase, which is where you unbow and the flip provinces.
if I am looking at page 50 and 51 right.
Yeah, I'm not the hugest fan of the loss of the Straighten and Events phases, but once the turn starts, you're in the Action Phase. Unbowing happens "at" the start, then anything that happens "after" happens after, but it's all Action Phase.
This says when a player's turn ends, the other player's turn begins... so that's the first step, turn start... then my turn sequence is action phase, attack phase, dynasty phase
so... I'd argue that "start of turn" is pre-action phase based on the rulebook.
But... that's what a "straighten and upkeep" phase fixes lol
Well, "start of turn" isn't a null field nor its own phase. It's a singular point in time, but your turn starts with the action phase, so their manifest existence is also simultaneous, not sequential.
I don't see that designation in the rulebook, but maybe I should request a streamline of a turn order on the onyx lives discord?
I mean, it's just logic, really. The start of one's turn used to begin with the straighten phase and end with the end phase. Now, the turn is only bookended by Action and Dynasty. Thus, turn starts in Action and ends in Dynasty.
In a competitive card game, assumptions based on logic mean nothing lol. We need hard rulings and defined timing! lol
I mean, it's not assumptive, it's just an extrapolation. Your turn starts with the Action Phase. Thus, the Action Phase starting and your turn starting are the same thing, with the same timing.
It doesn't define that.
You are assuming it because it doesn't define it.
Either way, I trust you are right, I just think defining it would improve overall experience.
Well, I will pass that along.
Oh, I see you have done already. 😛
😉
If it helps, consider this analogy:
A turn is a period of time, and it is comprised of three parts; Action, Attack, and Dynasty. Likewise, a decade is a period of time, comprised of ten parts; year XXX0 - XXX9. So, are the start of the decade known as the 80s and the start of 1980 different things? No. Can that question be answered with the given information, without additionally explicitly stating that they are not the same thing? I would say so.
Thats a fine analogy, but doesn't change the fact that the rules need turn order defined. Lol
[Modern]
Can i draw a card only if i use Battle/Open ability granted by this Event? Equipping is anyway Open in Modern. What about attaching/equiping from Supply Outpost or Secluded Oupost?
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I'm no expert on L5R rules, but it reads to me as if you only get to draw the card if you perform a Battle/Open equip action.
The way I read it, HoW says, "Until the game ends, [verb phrase] is [modified in this way] and, after the first time each turn you do [verb phrase], draw a card."
So, it would trigger the first time each turn you Equip a Follower or Item from your hand with a printed GC of 1 to 4, regardless of how you did it.
But Supply Outpost attach is not Equip so it doesnt trigger? But Secluded Outpost does as it just says Equip?
Or Emperor era "equipping" translates into any effect that Equip in later editions?
And also works for earlier editions "attach"?
I mean, that's the problems with mixing cards from different Rulesets. 😛 I suppose I should probably Oracle Supply Outpost to say "Equip"; it clearly hasn't had an Ivory coat of paint on it, since it has a colon as part of its tiggered trait.
Pretty much any attaching effect where you also have to pay would be defined as "equipping" by Ivory+ Rules, I'd say off the top of my head, without looking into it too closely.
This says "after" does this mean it gets a token from its own ability, or because it has already targeted it can't ping it?
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Second one. No token from its own ability.
Thanks
Question on Shadow Dragon XP. Oracle says it "unaligned", but none of the prints show the trait. Any idea if and when it got an erratum?
Answers on: Shadow Dragon
As of SE, general Rules made everything without a Clan Alignment "Unaligned" by definition. The Oracle is oriented from that perspective, as well as from the perspective that Ninja is not a Clan Alignment in Lotus. By strict Lotus Rules, it isn't Unaligned, due to lacking the printed keyword.
Thanks a lot! so neither CoR nor T8G did reduce it's GC under DE/LE rules
And about P'an Ku? CoR is a bit unclear in wording. Does it refer to unaligned nonhuman or unaligned nonhuman shugenja?
Shugenja. "Unaligned Nonhuman" are both adjectives modifying the noun "Shugenja", not separate.
Thanks!
Modern ruleset:
Can I refuse [Test of the Emerald champion]?
i.e= Enemy resolves [Test] and targets his "champion", can the player being targeted (the challenged) simply not target a person to duel, to result in the 0/0 effect?
card and oracle say "...you may..." / "...who may..."
You can't refuse challenge, but you can just skip "target" part so duel won't happen.
@kempy_nezumi 's answer is correct, but that won't result in a "0/0" effect as you say. The "champion" Personality will still have "lost no duels created by this Event" because none occurred, so they will get RFGd and their player will gain a Province.
To elaborate, the SE, unfortunately MRP, wording is at worst wrong and at best unclear, seemingly implying that the duels have to occur for the RFG and Province gain to take place, but this is not the case. So I Oracled it closest in wording to the MRP-1 from Lotus, with "if any" and "lost no duels", which admittedly is a bit murky itself and probably led to the poor SE "translation", but works as intended (and as it historically always has done; see the even-clearer earlier printings), per my ruling above.
Hello guys one quesiton. Does anybody knows if this starter includes the Mempo? it has the same sign as the celestial 15 startes , but I dont know if this one also includes mempo or not?
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I don't believe that starter would have the clan specific item. it would have Mirumoto Kenzo and their stronghold for that set.
The Mempos only come in CE15 Base Set starters, so they would be labeled "Celestial Edition" (as opposed to any individual expansion, like EaW up there) with the 15 anniversary logo.
That box is from Empire at War. The Mempos were only in the base CE15 starter boxes. They were an extra carrot to encourage existing players to buy a second copy of the starter box that they otherwise wouldn't really need.
(The Mempos weren't actually very good for the most part anyway)
Hey,
Question: If my personality have reduce force to 0, is that mean also Item force bonus?
If my samurai have katana +4 is that mean he have 4F now? Or 0F?
Answers on: Nerve Strike
My oponent used Nerve Strike on my personality and we had no idea how its works
Reduce Force to 0 means current Force. So a 3F Personality with a +4F weapon (assuming no other bonuses or modifiers) would get a -7F penalty.
Thnx!