Sun and Moon #rules-questions

February 2021

Messages from the Sun and Moon #rules-questions Discord channel, copied for Oracle of the Void. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings and the rulebooks may differ.

A player, 10 February 2021 07:21

@kempy_nezumi Bayushi Kachiko, the card says it can remain bowed. Can it do so even if another card effect tells me to straighten it?

Answers on: Bayushi Kachiko
Alex Jones (rules official), 10 February 2021 07:21

It can remain bowed.

A player, 10 February 2021 07:22

Proof?

Alex Jones (rules official), 10 February 2021 07:22

It's what the card says.

A player, 10 February 2021 07:23

But his card (Izuna Sensei) says that it forces me to unbow and attack.

Answers on: Izuna Sensei
A player, 10 February 2021 07:23

Both cards effect conflict.

Alex Jones (rules official), 10 February 2021 07:24

"The player must declare an attack and assign the target, if possible (this turn). Straighten him or her before this phase ends."

A player, 10 February 2021 07:24

it's not an option

Alex Jones (rules official), 10 February 2021 07:25

The straighten effect fails, if Kachiko's controller decides to keep her bowed.

Alex Jones (rules official), 10 February 2021 07:28

Her text "Kachiko may remain bowed" doesn't have any limitations on when it applies. She can decide to negate any straighten effect on her.

A player, 10 February 2021 07:30

I agree with the above.

A player, 10 February 2021 07:33

Anyone else care to weigh in?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 10 February 2021 07:33
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kempy_nezumi (not official), 10 February 2021 07:34

He wrote same thing in the past on forum 🙂

kempy_nezumi (not official), 10 February 2021 07:36

Damn, just noticed it was one of the last "official" answers in the forum 11 - 09 - 2015

kempy_nezumi (not official), 10 February 2021 07:36

that was hard day for many ;/

Alex Jones (rules official), 10 February 2021 07:50

Thank you.

Alex Jones (rules official), 10 February 2021 07:50

And yes, very sad.

saaam (not official), 11 February 2021 21:00

Hey, in the Jade era, if a Shireikan is attached to a monk and that monk dies (and I'm playing Monk), does the created Bushi with "my clan's alignment" have Monk and is able to cast Kiho?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 11 February 2021 21:13
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kempy_nezumi (not official), 11 February 2021 21:14

I don't think so. In your case it's just 0f 1c blank Personality with Brotherhood clan alignment

saaam (not official), 11 February 2021 21:15

Ahh. Fair. Brotherhood is the Clan alignment, not Monk. Good call.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 11 February 2021 21:16

/just edited/ - as i'm not sure how it worked in pearl, but later edition versions says created personality has 0f not 2f

kempy_nezumi (not official), 11 February 2021 21:17
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A player, 11 February 2021 21:17

Doesnt say it would copy traits, which casting a kiho would be a trait under monk.

A player, 12 February 2021 01:46

I love that card with old border

A player, 12 February 2021 01:46

Was great in Toturi's army

saaam (not official), 12 February 2021 02:37

Yeah. I really enjoyed the art before the "middle". Also enjoyed the change in CE.

A player, 12 February 2021 06:37

Is the target personality of Forward Encampment required to be present at the current battlefield or can I equip the spell to someone who's sitting at home? Also can the spell's ability be used again if already used before it's destruction?

Answers on: Forward Encampment
Alex Jones (rules official), 12 February 2021 07:22

The Personality you're Equiping the attachment to is targeted by the action, so they have to be at the current battlefield.

Alex Jones (rules official), 12 February 2021 07:22

And cards have memory until they're face-down and out of play.

Alex Jones (rules official), 12 February 2021 07:22

If the card is merely out of play, game state remembers whether or not its ability has been used.

A player, 12 February 2021 07:30

How does one turn a card face down?

A player, 12 February 2021 07:31

I mean what sort of effects would allow you to do that?

saaam (not official), 12 February 2021 07:31

Ninjutsu?

A player, 12 February 2021 07:31

Hmm?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 12 February 2021 07:31

or shuffling back into deck

A player, 12 February 2021 07:32

What's the ninjutsu type actions and which editions would I find them in?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 12 February 2021 07:32

or return to your hand

kempy_nezumi (not official), 12 February 2021 07:32

Ninjutsu is Lotus stuff

A player, 12 February 2021 07:32

Ah I see.

Alex Jones (rules official), 12 February 2021 07:36

Put back in the deck is the main one]

Alex Jones (rules official), 12 February 2021 07:36

Or back in your hand, or a province.

Alex Jones (rules official), 12 February 2021 07:37

(Mind you, I can't think of any effects that put a card in a province from play that did so face down.)

kempy_nezumi (not official), 12 February 2021 08:19

20f/onyx legal card that put's cards out of play

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A player, 12 February 2021 09:48

Yeah but that doesn't move a card that's either in play or in your discard and puts them out of play.

A player, 16 February 2021 14:42

So for the hooded ronin Cw his action is it a paid recruit or an unpaid

Answers on: The Hooded Ronin
Alex Jones (rules official), 16 February 2021 18:02

"Open, (bow), (): Give Destined to a target face-up Personality in a Province and ignore their Honor Requirement. If they are a Seven Thunder, you may Recruit them. One or more target players may each straighten a Ring they control."

Alex Jones (rules official), 16 February 2021 18:04

The "()" means that the action has a variable gold cost, which is the cost of the Personality you Recruit.

A player, 17 February 2021 19:59

Hi, just one question about asako sagoten and shadowland players and the stronghold with - 19 honor.

It is not possible de play sagoten versus these deck.

I am trying to play shadowland with the shrines of spirits.

Thanks

saaam (not official), 17 February 2021 20:48

Sagoten only works if your Honour is at -19, against Shadowlands. After that, does not work.

A player, 17 February 2021 20:55

OK so I must control my deck because - 20 is lost.

A player, 17 February 2021 20:55

Thanks

saaam (not official), 17 February 2021 21:10

Yup.

Alex Jones (rules official), 17 February 2021 22:32

Depends what version of the rules you're playing with.

Alex Jones (rules official), 17 February 2021 22:33

Later arcs let you survive getting to -20, as long as you were at -19 or above at the end of your turn.

Alex Jones (rules official), 17 February 2021 22:33

Or at least, one arc did that.

saaam (not official), 17 February 2021 22:40

That was pretty late in the game.

saaam (not official), 17 February 2021 22:41

And dumb.

saaam (not official), 17 February 2021 22:42

I don't insta-win on Honour. Okay. I don't insta-lose on Dishonour. Okay. Then I shouldn't insta-lose on losing all of my Provinces. It's Fake News!

kempy_nezumi (not official), 17 February 2021 23:14

Insta-win Honor? oO

saaam (not official), 17 February 2021 23:16

Yeah, no insta-win on Honouring out, except with Dashmar.

saaam (not official), 17 February 2021 23:17

I seem to think there was an event that allowed it, too, if you hit 60 Honour or something like that.

A player, 21 February 2021 07:25

I think what they mean here is the victory condition check not happening right away but rather at the start or end of a turn (yours or theirs) for Honor and dishonor.

A player, 21 February 2021 07:28

Unlike Military and Enlightenment victories.