Oracle of the Void #rules

December 2023

Messages from the Oracle of the Void #rules Discord channel, copied for Oracle of the Void. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings and the rulebooks may differ.

A player, 3 December 2023 00:37

Is Spirited Dispute simply a way to negate a duel that you would lose?

Answers on: Spirited Dispute
Brook Cunningham (rules official), 3 December 2023 00:42 · in reply

Negate the effects of losing only, not the whole duel, but otherwise, yes. I suppose it is a bit redundant to "choose to lose" in a scenario where you'd proabably already be losing, or else you wouldn't choose that effect, but there's possibly some combo I'm not seeing where that's necessry. 😛

A player, 3 December 2023 00:44

Thank you. That sounds reasonable to me!

A player, 6 December 2023 22:07

Is this saying that if he only has a peasant weapon equipped, I must destroy it to make the ranged attack?

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Brook Cunningham (rules official), 6 December 2023 22:09 · in reply

No. If it is a Peasant Weapon you have the additional option to destroy it instead of bowing it.

A player, 6 December 2023 22:09

Thank you!

Jeff Williamson (rules official), 6 December 2023 22:27

meaning you could bow the Peasant Weapon for whatever fun tricks it had, then throw it at the enemy

A player, 12 December 2023 05:13

Hiya! Is Aramasu's Vigilance oracle wording for its tireless ability only limited to the player ability for equip and recruit? Or does this also cover actions that will result to equipping or recruiting?

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Brook Cunningham (rules official), 12 December 2023 09:30 · in reply

When AV was legal, actions that Equipped or Recruited didn't have their own Gold Cost; the paying for the attachment or Personality was a rulebook process, not a cost of the action itself, therefore it wouldn't have paid for them contemporarily and therefore does not. I should probably have added this clause to Luxurious Silk as well, but I was focused at the time on converting Holdings to only paying for just paying for a single cost because of Gold pooling, and now everyone is used to abusing the Holding at this point that it might be a bit late. Although, now that I'm looking at that, I should also probably add a similar non-pooling clause to AV. Eh, nobody's perfect. 😦

A player, 18 December 2023 10:56
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A player, 18 December 2023 10:56

if both players have one copy of this in play - do they negate themselves out?

A player, 18 December 2023 10:57

or is it a bonus only for the active players lobbying check?

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 18 December 2023 10:57 · in reply

Effectively mathematically, yes.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 18 December 2023 10:57 · in reply

No.

A player, 18 December 2023 10:58

thank you, that's what i thought but wanted to make sure

A player, 19 December 2023 00:02

Can Ring of Fire (20F) destroy an opponent's ring?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 19 December 2023 00:04

No.

A player, 19 December 2023 00:05

Okay. Can you explain why not?

A player, 19 December 2023 00:06

In essence, if Rings aren't targetable with Ring of Fire, presumably because they are not at the current battle, how do their abilities work when they lack the Home or Absent keywords?

A player, 19 December 2023 00:16

I think ring of water has absent. But it doesn't refer to the ring itself, it just means you don't need a unit in the battle to use the ring. Rings are part of your knowledge/enlightenment, they aren't something that physically exist.

A player, 19 December 2023 00:18

Thank you. I'm still not sure why they don't count. There are cards which specifically target rings in play, so they must exist in some form.

Answers on: Ring of Fire
A player, 19 December 2023 00:18

I'll dig through the CRD again and see what I can find. Since the consensus is that I can't destroy a ring with Ring of Fire, I assume I missed something

saaam (not official), 19 December 2023 00:21

Easy, it's not an enemy card.

saaam (not official), 19 December 2023 00:21

Rings exist in your fief.

saaam (not official), 19 December 2023 00:21

Otherwise, you'd be able to use Ring of Fire (20F) as a low-orbit ion cannon.

saaam (not official), 19 December 2023 00:22

To expand on the prior, they're not present in the battle, even if they have Absent. Absent just lets it use its ability in the battle without it having to be a part of your army.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 19 December 2023 02:40 · in reply

Shiwan has it, but to reiterate and elaborate, "enemy" can only refer to an opponent themself on the opposide side during an attack (the Defender if you're attacking or vice-versa), or cards in units controlled by or allied with such a player (or an army that collectively contains such cards). Cards not in units, even if controlled by an enemy player and even if they're at the battlefield (such as their Terrains or Fortification Holdings) are not "enemy" cards.

saaam (not official), 19 December 2023 02:57

Yeah, that's good nuance, and great point.

A player, 19 December 2023 04:51 · in reply

Thank you for the explanation.

A player, 27 December 2023 18:19

Quick question: I'm talking with a friend and he claims you gain honor when you destroy card with a melee attack. Afaik you only gain honor for each card destroyed in battle resolution and that's it?

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 27 December 2023 18:21 · in reply

Yeah, unless there's some other effect on the table, there's nothing that would gain you Honor off a successful Melee.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 27 December 2023 18:22

You are correct that battle resolution destruction is the only thing that intrinsically gains you Honor.

A player, 27 December 2023 18:23

Thanks I was sure of that but wanted to double-check

kempy_nezumi (not official), 27 December 2023 18:32

Also since Ivory edition attacker and defender gains 2 honor per card destroyed in case of tie (in previous editions it was 1 honor per card in tie)

kempy_nezumi (not official), 27 December 2023 18:33 · in reply

"I'm talking with a friend and he claims you gain honor when you destroy card with a melee attack."

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A player, 27 December 2023 18:35

Theres the Lion Deathseeker sensei too, you gain whenever you kill somthing in battle.