Oracle of the Void #rules

November 2023

Messages from the Oracle of the Void #rules Discord channel, copied for Oracle of the Void. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings and the rulebooks may differ.

A player, 17 November 2023 16:08

If I am able to take the Imperial Favor twice during the same turn, can I choose to use the same Favor ability twice?

A player, 17 November 2023 16:09

Tmk no, the action is not repeatable. But you can use the other favor action

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 17 November 2023 16:10

Jim's correct. ๐Ÿ™‚

A player, 17 November 2023 16:11

Thank you. In that case, how does one play the Ring of Air? Essentially have to have some other way to spend Favor?

Answers on: Ring of Air
Brook Cunningham (rules official), 17 November 2023 16:11

Unless, you're playing in a pre-Once-Per-Turn Ruleset.

A player, 17 November 2023 16:11

(looking at 20F Ring of Air):

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Answers on: Ring of Air
Brook Cunningham (rules official), 17 November 2023 16:12

Yeah, there's a decent amount of Favor Strategy actions to choose from besides the Rulebook ones.

A player, 17 November 2023 16:13

Thanks, that clears it up!

A player, 17 November 2023 16:16

To help your search, remember that anything that involves discarding the favor makes the action become a Favor action

A player, 17 November 2023 16:17 · in reply

That's good to know. We were trying to figure this out last night for Enlightenment Victory.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 17 November 2023 16:18

Well... when I say "decent", it seems I mean 4-5.

A player, 17 November 2023 16:18

Really? I thought i remembered that from my in person days.

Regardless, iirc, 20f was very light on options

A player, 17 November 2023 16:19

That's fair. We are playing with Ivory through EP atm, and using that rules set.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 17 November 2023 16:21

Expanding my search to Ivory and 20F means there are 5-6 Strategies. ๐Ÿ™‚

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 17 November 2023 16:21

(A number of various Personalities also have Favor actions, but I'm not sure what Clan you're building. ๐Ÿ˜› )

A player, 17 November 2023 16:21

Haha well that'll give us something to work with. Friend is a Dragon player trying to leave the enlightenment option open.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 17 November 2023 16:38

Also dont forget that Imperial Summons got MRP where only one effect if Favor now.

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kempy_nezumi (not official), 17 November 2023 16:39

Original base Ivory version:

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A player, 17 November 2023 20:03 · in reply

Regal Furisode is the answer

A player, 17 November 2023 22:11

Do you resolve battles at each province even if the active player does not declare any attackers (for the purpose of using reserve/cavalry units)?

kempy_nezumi (not official), 17 November 2023 22:12

attack phase happens only if attacker declares it. this phase is optional

A player, 17 November 2023 22:13

Thank you

kempy_nezumi (not official), 17 November 2023 22:13

i experienced a situation when honor player announced an attack phase "for a joke" and got counter attack from Retribution

A player, 17 November 2023 22:13

I appreciate your help. I have lots of questions that pop up. Currently reading through the CRD between games as well

A player, 17 November 2023 22:13

Lmfao

A player, 18 November 2023 05:01

Can anyone give a rundown of how kata work? Do they stay in play until destroyed, or just until end of turn?

A player, 18 November 2023 05:08

They stay in play until you play another Kata. There's a lot of potential for them to be great.

A player, 18 November 2023 05:17

Thank you! That makes some of these seem pretty interesting

A player, 19 November 2023 19:07

Can School of Wizardry be used to recruit a shugenja Personality with The Majestic Temple of the Phoenix?

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 19 November 2023 19:13 · in reply

Yep.

A player, 19 November 2023 19:27

Thank you much!

A player, 20 November 2023 04:53

Last couple of questions that came up in tonight's games (20F era):

1. Is there a rule that prevents a bowed Shugenja from using its spells (if the abilities on those spells don't require bowing the Shugenja)?

2. The 20F CRD mentions that abilities start with one or more boldfaced keywords. I suppose this implies that text such as that found on Isawa Shunryu ("Before you draw cards at the end of your turn, draw a card") are not abilities. Is there a game term for these "non-abilities"? These still take effect when the card is bowed, correct?

A player, 20 November 2023 05:27 · in reply

2. Shuyru's extra draw is a Trait

A player, 20 November 2023 05:28

Below the art, card text is Keywords (above the line) Traits (below the line) Actions (below the line, with a ":")

A player, 20 November 2023 05:30

1. To my knowledge this is correct. Example, Kiyoshi's Wrath does not care if the shugenja is bowed or not. Contrast with Seeking the Way that does care.

A player, 20 November 2023 05:35 · in reply

Thank you, exactly what I was hoping to hear. I feel like I've been gimping myself a bit by assuming I couldn't use spells in that way

Alex Jones (rules official), 20 November 2023 07:21

Mostly correct...

Alex Jones (rules official), 20 November 2023 07:21

Cards don't have actions on them: they have abilities.

Alex Jones (rules official), 20 November 2023 07:22

Abilities are used to take actions.

Alex Jones (rules official), 20 November 2023 07:24

(Originally, they were called actions, but that was confusing, because it wasn't always clear if "action" was referring to the text on the card or the in game process that creates effects, so "text on the card that lets you take an action" got renamed "ability".)

Alex Jones (rules official), 20 November 2023 07:25

Abilities start with one of the following in bold face:

Open: Limited: Battle: Reaction: Engage: Dynasty: Interrupt: Response:

A player, 20 November 2023 16:02 · in reply

Ah, that makes sense.

A player, 20 November 2023 16:05

Ah my apologies for the mistake

A player, 20 November 2023 18:51
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A player, 20 November 2023 18:51

Gorobei can (obviously) tap Followers and Personalities. Can he tap items and spells?

saaam (not official), 20 November 2023 18:52

Ayup. They're cards.

A player, 20 November 2023 18:53

and Items with +2F counts as 2 force? Spells have always 0?

saaam (not official), 20 November 2023 18:53

An Item that grants a bonus does not have it itself.

A player, 20 November 2023 18:54

so an item is always 0F?

saaam (not official), 20 November 2023 18:54

AFAIK.

saaam (not official), 20 November 2023 18:54

Hrm. I'd have to look that up.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 20 November 2023 18:54

items don't make bonuses. items have stat modifiers

saaam (not official), 20 November 2023 18:54

That's the wording, yeah.

kempy_nezumi (not official), 20 November 2023 18:54

if card doesnt have modifier (like spell) it its is considered to have 0

A player, 20 November 2023 18:55

so - for Gorobei's ability sake: item +2F / +1C counts as having two force?

saaam (not official), 20 November 2023 18:57

But the card itself doesn't have Force, it has a modifier. Whereas Followers have a printed Force, or can be a modifier.

A player, 20 November 2023 18:57

thank you

A player, 20 November 2023 18:57

that helps a lot

kempy_nezumi (not official), 20 November 2023 18:57

"If something in the game needs to check an Itemโ€™s Force or Chi separately from its Personalityโ€™s stats, use the value of its modifier (minimum zero)."

A player, 20 November 2023 18:57

I can't remember it off the top of my head, but there is a card in 20F arc which bows cards and explicitly says that an item's force is equal to its force modifier

A player, 20 November 2023 18:57

I'll see if I can find it

kempy_nezumi (not official), 20 November 2023 18:58
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A player, 20 November 2023 18:58

awesome

A player, 20 November 2023 18:59

i have unending respect for your grasp on rules, guys

saaam (not official), 20 November 2023 18:59

Oooh. Okay, cool.

saaam (not official), 20 November 2023 18:59

There's 20 years of pedantic gamers that have helped refine them.

saaam (not official), 20 November 2023 18:59

๐Ÿ˜‰

Alex Jones (rules official), 20 November 2023 19:01

Thank you ๐Ÿ™‚

A player, 20 November 2023 19:02

๐Ÿ˜„

kempy_nezumi (not official), 20 November 2023 19:02 · in reply

Also if theres Spell with such trait like this, it has still 0F for purpose of effects.

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A player, 20 November 2023 19:04

https://tenor.com/view/stare-compute-think-complicated-gif-10481635

A player, 20 November 2023 19:40

This is going to sound basic but I started to second guess myself.

If two armies tie at 0f at resolution, do they die? (Post-Ivory)

kempy_nezumi (not official), 20 November 2023 19:44

yes

A player, 20 November 2023 19:49

I thought so but the "nothing happens" clause made me doubt

A player, 21 November 2023 01:10

What if one side has no personalities at the battle? Does it matter?

saaam (not official), 21 November 2023 01:11

Yes.

Jeff Williamson (rules official), 21 November 2023 01:11

0F army vs. no army means "tie" but no one dies

saaam (not official), 21 November 2023 01:11

If you have a 0F army against no army, your army isn't destroyed, and wins the battle, but gains no Honour, nor do you destroy a Province.

saaam (not official), 21 November 2023 01:12

I'm pretty sure it counts as a win, because 0 > nil, but that may have changed over the years.

Alex Jones (rules official), 21 November 2023 06:12

It's not a win.

Alex Jones (rules official), 21 November 2023 06:13

As in, you don't trigger "win a battle" or "lose a battle" things

saaam (not official), 21 November 2023 06:47

Ahh. True.

A player, 22 November 2023 18:59

Can I use Dotanuki to fulfill the requirements for playing Ring of Fire?

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Answers on: Dotanuki, Ring of Fire
A player, 22 November 2023 19:13

I mean, as long as post modification you're still lower or equal chi, it looks like

A player, 22 November 2023 19:14

I guess I am trying to discern when the trait effect from Dotanuki takes effect. When entering the duel, or only during it?

A player, 22 November 2023 19:15

Yeah thats a good question, I'm actually unsure

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 22 November 2023 19:36 · in reply

I wonder if @kempy_nezumi could dredge up a contemporary ruling? I admit it's not terribly clear, and I'd love it if the legwork had already been done 8-9 years ago. ๐Ÿ™‚

kempy_nezumi (not official), 22 November 2023 21:08

I tried but i haven't found anything ;/

kempy_nezumi (not official), 22 November 2023 21:30

Maybe Dotanuki could help in Ivory as Gold Dotanuki could help with RoF in Gold:

kempy_nezumi (not official), 22 November 2023 21:30

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kempy_nezumi (not official), 22 November 2023 21:31

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A player, 23 November 2023 02:48 · in reply

This, at least, seems to make the intent clear.

A player, 23 November 2023 02:49

Thank you for digging this up