Oracle of the Void #l5r

Anyone who wants to play, check out the Sunandmoon page 😛

Drew transferred it to you?

For the first time since playing on Sun and Moon, I finally figured out how I could put a name to my account. I am called The Mantis Legacies. I AM the legacy of the Mantis. If anyone wants to play a game or two on there, look me up. Then I will have more than two players to play against every once in a while

Referencing that quote above

You mean, your username in the SnM app, in its GUI config?

Took me a while to find out how to put a name on there

Good job.

😄

Tsuruchi Ryan or Yoritomo Ryan didn't seem to have a nice ring to it, so I went with Legacies

I’m not sure what the card mix is like in Empire at War boosters. Normally a pack is kind of F/D/F/D style, but I’ve opened two now that were six common personalities in a row, and the one I just opened is, here are the commons. All from one pack.

Was this an issue somehow? It’s all proxies. :p

Empire at War was one of the sets where the quality control was just abysmal. There were entire boxes of packs with no rares.

Ah. The card feel is different, too. Less slick.

At least the rare thing hasn't happened, but I opened a pack this morning and the top four are proxies again. Looking at the card list, there are only 60 commons and 10 of them are proxy, so it makes sense. More a weird quirk and bound to happen like this just from sorting sometimes.

Base EE was late so they even released PDF and allowed to play early Koteis with proxies (!)

aka Kolat Edition 😉

Kolat: Man must be allowed to rule themselves! Gozoku: We're gonna be men who rule the Empire! Kolat: no wait

Personally, I prefer the Kolat. Better organized, and like... just as arrogant, but with better interests in humanity?

I remember seeing this nomenclature as a mistake. In any other game, it would’ve been seen merely as a cute nod, but because of the player influence on L5R’s story, many assumed there would be consequences for including Kolat Edition cards in their decks.

I wish it would have lead to more storyline implications. They didn't do nearly as much of that after a certain point.

Do we have definitive information as to why that was the case? I joined in late Samurai Edition, and I feel I missed out on a lot of this “deck matters” element even though it was laid out in the then-current rulebook.

_The Honourable Dragon Movement has entered the chat._

"Yo, Phoenix clan, you're way overusing Corrupted Silver Mines." "Yeah, what about it, we're winning." "Yes, yes you are. Here's your prize..."

Sadly, I do not. I assume that was an internal change (maybe it had to do with all the tracking of information) that wasn't used in storyline tournaments like it was from Clan Wars though Lotus era.

https://imgur.com/a/jgghIND

Holy crud these cards have the smell. The new packs don't have it. I had almost forgotten it. o.o

Yeah, the old ones used to have a really good smell.

Not terrible.

Enh. Kinda is.

Especially since Ninja Kidnapper used to be Uncommon in FK.

And since I can't locate either of those personalities, it's nice to get fresh unplayed copies for the binders.

Fair.

Is The Smell a good thing, or a bad thing?

It's a great thing.

When card games were first hitting, there was this whiff of cardboard and I honestly think it was like... benzene or the ink residue

I didn't, but I totally saw people open magic cards and shove their nose into the pack.

Oh so it was pretty common for Magic as well as L5R and other card games.

the new CARD smell lol

You could kind of tell if a game was low quality printing from either the lack of the smell, or they were super slick, like almost laminated.

Oh alright. the quality had a lot to do with it too

In my case, I've only been a collector of L5R cards for the purposes of literal card game play. I've never played or collected Magic or Pokemon. I concentrate on what the particular card does and the traits of the personality, etc. so I haven't really paid attention to smells.

Nah, it's probably more normal not to. XP

I remember these cards taking me aback. “Kyogen” is not a proper name (at least to my knowledge), but a term for the style of theater the character is being depicted as performing. So it could have easily just been reprinted as Kyogen throughout, unless there is some other factor I’m missing about “Soul of” cards. Did they appear in the fiction somewhere?

From the Imperial Gift

I imagine they are both "Soul of Kyogen" so they could reprint them thematically, without layering (Kyogen > Soul of Genmyo > Soul of Myuken when they are all functionally the same)

As for why they kept changing the name, so lore people don't ask how he survived a few hundred years without getting an Exp

I’m mostly just questioning why the name, which I’m sure was originally intended as a descriptor, could not have returned on the subsequent printings, unless Genmyo or Myuken made a story appearance somewhere. My guess is that whoever named Genmyo did not realize that Kyogen was not meant as a proper name, but who knows?

It's Feudal Not-Japan. It's possible they knew what it meant, and gave the original character the name of the style as a way of suggesting he invented it. Alternately, if he's a great actor, maybe he doesn't have an identity except for what he was famous for? Like he's so good at mimicry no one even knows who he was anymore?

It might be when they were in that middle group of going from absolutely not naming most things correctly until they were very well-known, to trying to be really accurate on other things.

Like Die Tsuchi or Otaku, or when the original RPG said that it was appropriate to pick random syllables "as long as it sounds good".

Having researched how a lot of these cards got made I think you’re giving way more credit than is due

I think they probably picked a word, used it on a card, and then never thought about it again after that

While later editions did better due diligence in naming and art by then the game had an enormous body of rule framework and it’s own internal history distorting any attempt to make the names they gave make any sense

Name something cool, then have to go back and retroactively give it a reason for that. I think the coincidence is a little too high that they named a card about an actor after an actual type of play, and anything that's a thing can be a name. I know I'm providing a possibility that is not known, but since we don't really know if it wasn't, I guess it's just as likely.

Meaning I don't think they picked a random word.

I think they definitely knew it was related to acting. But then didn’t worry about the fact that it wasn’t a person

I think that's the balance, yeah. I don't think it's unnatural to name a person after a thing they're known for, and write a narrative around it, or they thought 'oh this is a minor card that no one is going to think much about but we want to look at least a little authentic'.

I mean, there's no Shinjo Uma personality, which makes sense.

https://www.gencon.com/events?search=l5r&category=Tradable+Card+Game

i wasn't that pissed about missing gencon this year until i saw that

Where can I find a modern legal list

https://oracleofthevoid.com/#search=type_legality%3Dselect%26field_legality%3DModern%26table%3Dl5r%26sort%3D%255B%257B%2522title.keyword%2522%253A%257B%2522order%2522%253A%2522asc%2522%257D%257D%255D

Ty for some reason modern legal wasn’t showing on filters

:baro_dote:

Gotta remember how to play this game for gencon

Both are legal in Modern format. Banned list of Modern:

With limit of one card per deck there's no way to create any "faceless" token swarms.

thank you kempy

Maybe the previous ruleset

BK and BH are autostarts in: Celestial, Emperor, The Obsidian Hand legacy and in Big Deck. They are optional in AEG Legacy.

Modern uses Twenty Festivals (Ivory) as core rule set so there's no starting BK and BH. But there's 20F rulebook 1st turn Cycle ability (literally one of basic BK abilities) + Samurai era Legacy starting holding for second player (like in Samurai) but only if you play non two-sided Stronghold of Ivory era.

It's the rulebook player ability in Ivory / Twenty Festivals and also in Modern

Interesting that it's face-up only.

So if you somehow draw just Celestials/Events/Regions, you're still hosed.

No, because "turn all cards in your Provinces face-up".

"If it is your first turn, choose one or more face-up cards [...]"

yes, its about cards you can put on bottom, but then you flip up all face down cards

previously BK got that awkward ability, as you had to put on the bottom even face-down cards iin provinces if you wanted to flip them up

Cycle just flips everything up (after sending some previously face-up cards to the bottom).

No

Because in pre-Ivory editions, Events are triggered only during Events phase

In Modern, as there no Events phase, all old Events have new wordings in Oracle

https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=5664

After you reveal cards in your Provinces at the start of your turn, if this Event is face-up in one of them, starting with you and proceeding in turn order, each player destroys a Personality or Retainer controlled by the player to his right.

Right, I know that part.

But when Shiwan said you're screwed if you flip an event at the wrong time, you said no. I got confused.

ah, i read it wrong ;/

So yes, if you flip up pre-Ivory event after refill

you cant discard them, and they will not trigger if they are pre-ivory events

or you may leave them in provinces and they will trigger at beginning of next turn

I'm choosing that event specifically because it doesn't have a 'hang out until used' ability, or an 'place in play' ability.

"So turn one, I hit Dynasty and turn all my cards face up. I have an Occult Murders and do not want. It triggers anyway." - it wont trigger after face up

after refilling face up with Cycle or BK ability

and Dynasty phase is at the end of turn - you confuse it with Events phase (in preivory editions) or beginning of Action phase in Ivory

So on my turn, I turn cards face-up at the beginning. If Occult Murders is there, it has to trigger. If a Gold Mine were there, and I then use my Cycle action to refill face-up, and Occult Murders is my cycled card, it doesn't trigger until the start of my next turn.

yes

So a turn one Occult Murders is a wasted event, since there would be no targets, and there's no time to use Cycle to save it.

cycle/bk works great with Celestials or/and new Ivory Events that doesn't trigger but just stays in Province and have limited/open/engage abilities you may use once and then discrd them

yes

unless you are second and your op brough some personalities or retainers first turn

It's a different way of saying it persists until your next turn.

The effect goes off immediately, but it's there so I can, say, Cycle the Gold Mine, see it, and then put it into play during Action 2.

1st turhn. You flip only holdings. As first Limited action you use Cycle, you send all card to bottom, refill and flip up all cards in provinces. A Fever in the Blood is one of them

as another limited action you use its Limited ability - so by its text you take it from province and put into play

as cards texts ovverrides rulebook, this evens text allows to stay in game until begining of your next turn

if you have such event

you use its open ability and then this event is discarded from rulebook effect

yes

you use it as Limited action during your Action phase

you may even leave it in province for X turns (clogging it)

and use its Limited ability (to put it into play) on your X turn after revealing

yes

force reduction doesnt work when this even is still in province, you have to use its limited ability to put it into play

then force reduction start working

In this case, it's either do it this turn, or do it next turn.

such event don't trigger themselves

that's main differene between ivory and older events

older events triggger automatically

ivory events stay in province until you use one of their abilities

then they are discarded by default OR in case of favor.. are put into play by their text

all ivory events have abilities

limited, open, battle, engage or interrupt

to make old events compatibler with new rulesets thay have added special passive trait in their text

"After you reveal cards in your Provinces at the start of your turn, if this Event is face-up in one of them..."

yes

exactly

It would turn face-up and sit there until I use its Limited ability, then because it's an event card, its ability is used and it discards itself.

yep

no problem

ivory events are more safe as you choose a moment you want to play them. pre ivory events triggers only at beginning of turn

trip down memory lane. The old L5r forums

Wait, no, because it dictates its timing as an autotrigger.

yes its Oracle trait triggers it automatically if its flipped up at beginning of turn only

I'm trying to shake my Imperial thru Jade training.

I'm still trying to remember 3/4 of the ivory keywords

Don't blame you

New Calvary/Naval and all that

its like i haven't played the game in 8ish years

yes

every pre-ivory event (if it didnt have ivory reprint) should have added this trigger line

in ivory you just wait with this event until Dynasty phase nad use its ability as Dynasty ability

buying guys during Dynasty phase is now Dynasty Recruit ability

and you can use also Dynasty: abilities liek this event

only rulebook restriction is you may use them only during your own Dynasty phase

And also allows a later card to discard it while its in play.

yes

And you can't Avoid Fate an Event that is in play already, but you can wait until the player attempts to actually play it, either into play or as the inherent use during Dynasty, because it's a reaction to the triggered trait.

yes

but you can use Avoid Fate works only for old events

Reaction: Before the triggered trait of an Event in a Province resolves, the trait does not resolve. Before the next phase begins, the Event's player shuffles it into his deck and refills the Province. 3

you cant cancel Ivory event with Avoid Fate

but you may cancel it with Forewarning

Reaction: Before an Event's triggered trait or ability resolves, negate its effects.

@Brook Cunningham anyway i'm curious why Avoid Fate doesnt work for new events?

I know that's just a made-up scenario, I don't know if such a card exists.

yes, as Reactions may trigger to anything - as its written on the card

even if there's no Reactions in ivory, in legacy formats (like modern) they work as in the past

Like... Denkyu no Shiryo. He provides a reaction to make a Mantis personality cheaper. So if an Event let you search for and play a Mantis personality, you can react to that even though it's an Event, because the Ancestor doesn't care why it's coming into play.

it's much simplier. in l5r if someone will play wisdom gained you may play any reaction (if it exists), to searching, to puting card in hand, to resolving event - to literally everyting is on the cards effect

yes

I think I like it, it forces issues. If I had like, Changing the Game waiting in my Province, you could theoretically stop it by destroying the Province.

I've always liked "threat" mechanics.

Or force a usage when the other player really doesn't want to, but has to make a suboptimal play that's better than no play at all.

or all those Open: events

you may just wait for ops turn to launc them

like this and steal Imperial favor

or your op take favor to mill, but you steal his favor

and use it for

Hello, everyone. I have a bit of an announcement. I've talked about this here before, but not in any great detail. I'm part of a team that's working on a new fan-made set for Legend of the Five Rings. I'd like to share our first design diaries here, and ask you for a small amount of input. We will be asking for more as we near completion of the project.

When I attempted it a few years ago was I couldn't get enough support to help with it. I'll be happy to help with this.

Awesome! We've decided on making a few changes, but overall I think the changes we're working with are worth it, and I look forward to having a broader discussion about it.

If I can ask, what's the impetus behind changing the card style? To ensure that it's clearly not official? I'd like to help, I am more of a story person than a card balance, but I can playtest and feedback for things like ease-of-understanding and use.

That is correct. I had someone working on new frames and new clan mons back when I tried to do it so that we would not have any issues with FFG / Asmodee. It was cover your butt situation. The group that continued the LCG unofficially changed the clan mons and frames too.

The throwback to the old frame is kinda cool.

That’s cool, I was curious. And true, a good CYA

My original issue was just that the readily available frames I could find were agonizingly low resolution. So, I took it upon myself to try and make new frames. They were awful, so Yucess helped me out and got some designs that were better, even if they were still rather bland. However... all of that fell by the wayside when Self Based made a new set of frames with clear inspiration from the original cards that still incorporated modern design principles. That's what we're using today. The fact that they're not copywritten makes it easier to work with, but I would have been happy to push that problem until later if we had workable frames in the mean time.

That all being said, I recently found the pdfs of most of the unreleased Onyx cards. The images are not flattened, so the card frames are just available to be copied straight from them. I wish I had found that sooner, but I'm also very happy with the frames we have now, and we would have had to make new frames eventually anyway.

We have a fan person who worked on the LBS game put these together. I think they look awesome too.

That was Self Based. They're in this discord as well. And they have an LBS remastered edition that's already out and ready for play.

I have a set of blanks for playtest frames

Pretty

/wave

My goal with the design for the Rebirth Edition frames was to capture the artistry of the original edition card frames, but updated to what are modern templating standards, without going overboard and reinventing the wheel. I've been monkeying around with card layouts for over a decade now, between the Legend of the Burning Sands remaster and my work with Vampire: The Eternal Struggle, I feel like i was pretty succesful with my L5R retro-update

it should be noted that most of these frames have been updated further

also please excuse the weird double spaces. I need to clean my keyboard..

No worries about the spaces. :) I was asking to save a question later. I like these frames, and would like to see the updates, but no rush.

I applaud your work for the frames. That being said, not a fan of them. At least to me it looks like the frames are crushing/compacting the art in some images. The frames while colorful also look quite busy. Graphic design is hard and you wont please everyone. There is just something about your images that dont sit well for me.

I thought that at first, and then realized if I open the full image, those issues went away. The one that seemed off the most to me was A Terrible Oath, so I pulled out the card and compared, and it's almost exact.

And I wonder if the "busy" might be visual noise from the set border. I admit I had to kind of ignore it, and the frames themselves look good without them. The only thing I found a little off was the clan mons could be a bit more watermark-y, so when title overlaps, the title takes a stronger precedence.

But these would be easy to use, and even the noise is probably just enhanced by multiple cards touching and would be less prevalent when in a deck. Ivory promo, CoM, and HoR had great clear, crisp set borders, and I was disappointed they aren't revisited more. The highlights on the mechanics would make them easier to teach, which seems what a lot of what I do lately.

Maybe? I was looking at the image fully expanded when I made my observation and it did look kind of all squished together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuXpczD_QIo

I've always loved the picture of that personality and she's a great Dragon personality. I have her in two decks. A Keeper I believe.

Not sure how to bring this up, but the Oracle is missing Ginawa from Scorpion Clan Coup. Would have been a fixed in the Lion Clan starter:

He is available on Sun and Moon however.

Just went looking for a copy that I had due to the flavor text on it.

ah k

There's even no such version in Oracle

Talking about Ginawa

Oracle doesnt have plenty of starter reprints.

As i see it was problably version included in Lion SCC3 starter. As i said above, when AEG was reprinting some fixed cards in starters from earlier sets, they weren part of expansion (they werent available in expansion boosters, only in starters), but they got current frames.

Oracle is missing a lot of those

as technically they were just reprints, not new versions.

eg when in 2009 AEG was changing frames from samurai to new look of celestial, whole double bugged expansion Glory of the Empire was printed in new frames. Also starters were printed this way, but as they included some Samurai legal only cards, they also were reprinted in new frames. So there's rare sitation where some Samurai only legal cards have Celestial frames and they are in GotE starters only.

They are missing in Oracle

but there are excpeptions - just checkin cards like Peasant Vengeance

Sorry, PV was reprinted also in base Celestial

wrong example

https://www.aplaceforcollectors.it/ccgs/l5rgoter.pdf

here is list of fixed cards in GotE starters

some of those cards werent reprinted later in Celestial, and exists in new frames and with Samurai legality only

like Refugees

Personally i was looking for Supply Smugglers in CE frames for some Modern decks

and it's available in GotE starter ony

I need like 40 copies of the original kyuden kitsune

I'd like to build a Crane Dueling Honor/Dishonor Switch deck to try and bring to the Modern tournament at GenCon. (I'm still not totally sure if I'm going, but if I do, that's what I want to play)

As Long as it’s not embassy of the crane I won’t rage at you

well, if it's for Modern, I think it has to be Embassy of the Crane, doesn't it?

All I’m saying is I’m not responsible if I baby rage the entire match

Signed salty lion player

you're allowed to do that, but only if you don't win. If you do, then I'm calling shenanigans.

to this day I have petitioned Urbach for a playmat that was the Embassy artwork on fire with lion clan banners everywhere

Will there be a Learn To Play section of the GenCon area, or just the tourneys? I didn’t know if this was an awareness drive as well. :)

Folks are welcome to gather in the Pine Box area in any spare seats, you'll find plenty of l5r old hats there

Oh, I am an old hat. XD I was more thinking about ideas like, I have a friend or two that might be interested, but know nothing of the game. They are in-person style learners, and I won't see them until GenCon, thought it would be neat if they could learn there.

Any good places to find Crane Honor deck lists? I'm getting pulled in a lot of different directions with my brewing, and I would like some tips and ideas.

what format?

I'm playing Clan Wars through Lotus.

you could just take a txt file from Decks folder of Sun and Moon and attach it to your message. Or just copy/paste.

And I have to rummage through boxes of stuff

Hmm. You need to ask Tournament Organizer.

I hope they allow some proxies. There's a ton of cards that are just stupidly hard to find.

I'm only concerned right now about MRP proxies. I have cards, but they're out of date. I think I'll make a visual spoiler for cards I bring.

Im sorry, i totally thought rise from the ashes was modern legal

I hope to see some evening event slots in the future if it does

unofficial hardcore l5r tournament challenge anyone/anywhere/anytime have to defend your match

Some kind of store with everyone getting 5 Koku cards to start, and you can take other people’s money when you win.

Speaking of, we did get a Ling style centre room at Hilton Garden Inn to use

Getting the squad back together again

It's in description. Limited is "one edition", so in case of Gencon tourney there's Limited - Twenty Festivals. Just standard 40/40 decks with blue/black kanji of last official edition of the game.

When Modern was introduced it allowed proxies

When it became official alternate format and included into AEG Floor Rules, they removed this. So it's up to TO to decide.

So far the Modern event is two short of the minimum number of players necessary for it to even fire. Is it too soon to be concerned about this?

When's GenCon again?

August 3-6

Oh. That's plenty of time for more people to sign up.

Yeah I think that it will all go forward. I only wish I could physically attend.

Please remind again as we get closer. I'm wanting to play, but I have to see how some health things work out. If nothing else, I can donate $20 to give someone a by. :P

So for Limited one edition games, does that mean you can't have Fate cards or Personalities or Dynasty cards from editions other than Twenty F? Say, from Gold or Samurai or another earlier edition? Or limited ONLY to Twenty? Just wondering.

I checked Twenty F cards and didn't find many major, strong personalities for the Mantis, for example.

I hope that everything can work out for you so you can play the tourneys. That's really nice of you to offer to pay for someone else's entry. 😄

Yes. Its just a standard tournament format that was when game was sold. Just 'current' edition. Black and blue kanji.

But Mantis has excellent Stronghold in 20F. Mantis in 2015 won (for the first time ever) both Worlds Championships (Gencon) and Euro Championships (Greece).

So if I could attend, I would probably only build decks for two of the three tournaments, but not the Limited one. If I could, I would bring one Mantis deck and one Phoenix deck. And see how well they do.

I know the time slot is an issue for some as that is when folks will be in lines in vendor hall

I’m not so sure that the issue. It’s a four-day convention, after all. All the talk online led me to think that the Obsidian Hand Legacy tournament was the place to be, not Modern (which is the only format whose cardpool allows the deck I want to build to be competitive.) But the two events are tied in terms of ticket purchases. Only the Limited tournament is sure to run as yet.

Just a personal observation to me is all, could be a non factor, but generally avoiding Thursday morning slots is common. I know a few people that would have signed up but anticipate being in the Lorcana line

look if i don't try to greed lorcana am i even doing gencon right

thats how much i want to play this with folks is that i'm sacrificing my own personal gain

What does greed mean as a verb here? I have an idea, but I wanna make sure I’m following you.

instead of keeping it for myself

i'd def flip it early

think of wow terms when rolling for items

i dont NEED lorcana but the extra skrilla would be nice

I remember I once greeded someone without meaning to, because I didn’t know what the “N” stood for in the chat.

it be like that

I’ve more or less given up on Lorcana anyway. I’ll try lining up on Friday. If it sells out, it sells out.

i will use racial perk to run to line as door opens

Does having a press badge make it any easier? I’ve never had one before and can’t seem to find much literature on what I actually get to do with it.

i think the vendor badge helps

make up yuleballers card kingdom emporia LLC

and you should be fine

I have someone who could buy one for me, but $125 just to play a Lorcana a few weeks earlier doesn’t seem right to me.

those disneystans/early advancers will pay handsomely

like the guy offering 75K for the copy of the one ring to throw it into a live volcano

never underestimate the greed of others

I guarantee that’s just some big talk.

if i were to highroll and pull it

id' def see if they were bluffing or not

otherwise i'm hitting up post malone

Just be careful what you do with it. The ring has a will of its own.

that will is to fill my bank acct with some zeros

That's a lot of Buffy:TVS.

Two 600 count and one 800 count boxes for Buffy.

I need to upgrade my storage. It is organized but the boxes are everywhere.

I apologize for nothing

Trying to sort is not easy when you fall behind

Although when we were playing back in college, an artist friend Drake made this for me, and it is fantastic:

CAH doesn't really count.

Now Raw Deal is an interesting one.

I never got into it, but it was popular at the local game shop because it was kind of a working class hick town (GM factory town). So I learned to play and borrowed other people's decks.

I've been thinking about it lately, and a few months ago even read up on what happened with the game, its expansions, and so on.

I played Raw Deal when I was in Cookeville for college (as a fun secondary game) and while I was in Florida. I was a big wrestling fan and the game was fun until the redesign.

I do miss Raw Deal. Just not as much as I do L5R. Still have my Matt Hardy V1 deck together.

I totally understand what you're talking about. I'm trying to sort/organise/clean my place too. One part at a time, but it will get done.

:baro_dote:

I used to have one of those... I can't remember if it was Ninja, or something else. It's been so long.

But I know the 22 Karat gold ones. They were well made, and looked... elegant.

I seem to think that the YJA one was pretty decent, too. Though, to be fair, most looked pretty good.

Heh. I miss the old AoD YJA box.

I so dreaded playing against YJA. It generally meant it would be a hard match, and that a chunk of my deck would do nothing. I'd have to actually fight for my win, if I even got it.

Those decks were brutal.

Being able to ignore Honour loss was so big.

A good draw with a good deck full of Rares was a thing of beauty.

These were so awesome when they came out.

Shadowlands emblem. I remember those, though I never played against Shadowlands in the Kotei events. I had to widen the hole for my wolf with a reemer so that the numbers would show clearly

It was kind of a joke because... they didn't need one...

Oh yeah...Shadowlands doesn't

So you sit down with the top off, pull out your deck, and then drop the emblem on it

Can't gain or lose honor right? I built a Spider deck that doesn't have a single Shadowlands card in it, that can actually WIN on honor.

Imperial favor was an issue kinda, so they made The Dark Lord's Favor as a card

Not a huge issue, mind. Just like... a little.

Oh first time i've seen that. Yeah, to make up for the fact they can't use the Imperial. Nice actions

Scorpions and Crane also liked it. <.<

I have my Toturi's Army honor counter on my desk in front of me. Toturi's Army first, Lion Clan second.

Well, DLF was worded weird. You couldn't play its Open or Reaction abilities.

Nice. The Dragon emblem looks sloppily done and never really liked it myself. No offense to Dragon players. But I DO like the Dragon and what they can do. Phoenix emblem is pretty good. I also like the Crow for the Brotherhood, and I have that one also.

I know now with the clarity it wouldn't work, but I think in my area and tournaments the Foo hit it hard. Like 'Of course Horde players can use it, it's supposed to be for them.'

Centipede is a good mon, and of course the best one is Ratling.

Naga is good, too.

Unlikely, but I would be pleasantly surprised if there were.

Fair point.

It kinda does.

Now, if they did a Yoritomo's Alliance one, or a Fox Clan one, sure.

I actually found the whole Mantis/YA/Fox thing quite neat back then. Having a single "Clan", but with that drastic of a division that depending on the box, you couldn't run a whole bunch/most of your "Clan's" Personalities.

I like the idea of an Alliance too, but doesn't always work for what you want to do.

did we land on if proxies are going to be legal or not for the modern event?

Also this Wind: https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#cardid=989

Ask on gencon2023 channel.