@Brook Cunningham any idea to make Unshakable to work as it worked in Samurai. It required unbowed Tactician Samurai to play but didnt fizzle Tactician keyword. So eg it was possible for single Tactician to play Superior Strategist for Unshakable to play something from discard.
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I think we should restore Tactical actions.
One of Reese's dumber ideas.
I'd not change the wording on Unshakable, though.
It was wrongly worded from the start.
Well, on the plus side, Tactical actions were never "removed", Oracle-wise. They just required an entry in the Legacy Rules for their use, like other keywords that were no longer defined in Ivory/20F CR.
Well, the standard Tactical ability should go back to being a player ability.
Rather than Tactician granting the ability.
It was only changed because Reese wanted to get rid of performing (because he misunderstood Zinser).
I thought Unshakeable was always tactical?
It's Tactical but as it doesn't target/choose any Tactician it's not Performed. By definition of Tactical in Samurai rulebook, original wording required only unbowed Tactician to play it. Oracle text now require to choose unbowed Tactician who Performs it. That's the difference.
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I'm happy with it saying
Battle: Choose your performing unbowed Tactician and a Strategy in your discard pile: Take an additional action to play it for one of its Battle abilities, etc
But it shouldn't be Tactical if it doesn't count as your once per turn.
Hey, since you're around. Question about Lion in early Jade, kinda up to DJH: what was a viable Lion deck then? The Personality base was just so poor. I either go SL-tainted, or... some kind of a Monk-base with Flee and a pile of Followers.
No idea, I only started playing in mid Pearl.
Really. Neat.
Sorry
Good improvement then. Brought back regular Turi and Agetoki into Strict Jade, so you had actual playable people.
Then you got Ijiasu with Spirit Wars.
And a full deck with Gunjin.
It's funny that there was a time when Ijiasu was considered kinda broken. Or at least overpowered.
Ijiasu was, in context, almost busted.
He probably took more provinces solo than any other personality in Gold.
Especially after Shiro Matsu appeared.
Fair.
by comparision, his soul of in Ivory environment was mediocre tactician.
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Province strengths were higher.
Plus, Gold had Charge and SoP - and SupTacs, which let him avoid defenders.
Lots of PS5 boxes in Gold, for which he just needed to Tact a 4.
@Alex Jones @kempy_nezumi RE: Unshakable. Well, that's weird and I'm sorry. If you're sure there were never any later rulings/errata to the contrary, I can change it back to being unperformed (and just put in explicit text the requirement, "If you have a Tactician at the current Battlefield").
I think it should be performed by the Tactician, but not a Tactical action.
I know it wasn't originally performed either, but that's shit.
Well, the goal often isn't what should be, but rather to preserve what was.
How very Lion of you.
😜
I choose to take that as a compliment, coming from an Akodo. 🙂
Did the Tactician at the battlefield need to be unbowed, or no? (I don't want to bother looking up the SE Rulebook 😛 )
I think we should fix it.
Unbowed.
@kempy_nezumi Does it break anything if we make it not Tactical?
I mean, if we decided we should "fix" things... that would be a lot of things.
Gotta start somewhere...
Something we could put a pin in, perhaps, but for now, I'm going to just make it how it was.
Little strokes fell big oaks.
Maybe save it for once Don hosts Rules documents, and we can make an improved Final CR and bring back Constraints blocks.
@kempy_nezumi It has to break something. Surely there are like, things that React/Trait-pop to Tacticals being played, or fetch them, or the like?
Wow, it's too early. I thought that was Kempy talking, but that was you talking to him. >_<
Anyway, my point stands. I'm sure it probably breaks something, but you'd know better, Mr. Lion.
Offhand? EVD.
So, you answered your own question? 🙂
I care more for consistent rules than for individual cards.
And a deck that's playing enough Tacticians for Unshakable to be playable, isn't going to lack for triggers for EVD.
I find myself actually leaning the other way in these wasteland times, seeing people online playing a lot of block simulations, it feels like the higher priority in the current "environment" (such as it is) would be card preservation, since very few people seem to be playing by anything resembling consistent Rules. Again, I could see that changing once the Oracle starts hosting a Rules resource upon itself.
Good talk, but I must away to work. See you around!
Hm.
Actually... There's quite a lot that interacts with Tactical actions.
Aiki Tactics, Akodo Anshiro exp, Akodo Kobi exp, Akodo Tamisu, Bayushi Kyono, Ikoma Ayumu, Matsu Taniko, Scouting Team, plus a few more that interact with performed Tactical actions.
@Brook Cunningham shouldnt Whispered Rumours have same wording like Forewarning (about events)?
Or it doesnt matter and even with printed such wording Whispered Rumours are still able to negate ability from Ivory+ event?
Well, when I was rewording cards, I was going alphabetically, so I did Forewarning, but I never got as far as Whispered Rumors; you'll note it still has constraints, Emperor-style. 😛