Onyx Lives #rules-questions

With the release of 3D, will there be a rules document that's a comprehensive A to Z for players unfamiliar with the game?

I'll be working on one.

As a task I've assigned myself

Is this something you can use help with? I have a lot of free time, and I would really like to see one by the 25th to get my friends (back) into the game.

Probably

I have a little question, while we're working on the 3D rules booklet, about Terrains.

As the rule on Terrains is slightly changing: Wouldn't it be logical (I know it's not traditional) to have the rulebook action be Engage rather than Battle?

I mean picking the place to fight seems more of an engage thing than a middle of the battle thing

Also question about Lobbying: does the bowing personality once again require at least 1PH?

Also other than the "New Rokugan", what will be the names of the other Winds?

Yes, but would like to get the rules booklet out by the 25th also

Games not even out yet bro

I would assume no but the rule hasn't changed since ShE, so whatever is the rule there.

In ShE the answer is no. Tactical abilities may only be taken by unbowed tacticians that haven't activated a tactician ability.

Dont know how it works in 3D

What sets arenlegal for three dynasties? Just the new set or any of the old sets? Thank you 😊

Only the "base set" of 3 Dynasties will be available in the standard format

But tourneys are tourneys, and this is a fan made set so do what you want haha

Thats great thanks, looking forward to the release

Focus would still add to the dueling stat

I thinkm

In the past it didn't.

Ill wait for Mr rules

Thanks

Ah, ok. Thanks.

Thanks didnt think it worked but wanted to be sure

[3D] If Naka Kansaku copies Jade Sun's Judgment (spell) ability, does he have to destroy himself as a cost? it says "destroy this spell"?

Sounds like yes but let's see what the experts say

This makes sense otherwise it would be a persistent open kill action like Matsu Hiroru exp2

Thanks for clarifying this, I would have got this entirely wrong as I assumed the opposite. So he is mostly useful for the Rings.

I had the right answer for the wrong reason so this was needed

Quick Question: Do all attack abilities (melee or ranged) require a target?

Yes

What is a "Raid" battle?

Thank you! This is so new 😄

yeah, they do seem that way

Specifically, Events trigger when revealed at the start of the controller's turn

so you can keep them?

and just wait if they flip during a turn?

Yes

no they auto resolve (or auto enter play)

Not if they flip outside the start of the turn.

Well yes if they reveal at an other moment, no if they are revealed in a province at the start of your turn.

Triggering them at the start of the turn is non-optional

i meant to include at start of turn, but i didn't say that explicitly, but thanks for saying that. basically they work the way old events used to (which I am not a fan of - i really liked events that resolved as Opens)

because of just questions like this

But then they're basically just Strategies in the Dynasty

so what?

(action phase)

Events should feel a little outside your control.

eh

The problem with events as action is that they allow for really fast cycling through the Dynasty deck, if combined with a couple of reveal (all) cards in provinces type effects. This allows one to set up very reliant combo decks.

thanks

I was just making sure that raid attacks didn't completely negate it.

For completion: There are a couple of post-Cavalry assign cards, but those don't change that by the end of the assignment step the assignment requirement must be fulfilled.

No

if it flips up on the reveal at the start of turn, No, if later in the turn than yes.

Thanks!

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When we legacy do we get to look in provinces as well or no?

Not in the rules as written, however you do not lose the game if you don't find one.

The Legacy Rulebook ability now functions as following: “Dynasty: Once per game, discard a card in your Province: Search your deck for a Legacy card and refill the Province with it, face up.”

Nope, and you can't search for multiple legacies anymore either. Though if you want to you could still include multiple in your deck. On the bright side it no longer costs a fate card to do so.

You can't control that if you play events.

Well it's still a good idea to do it in your dynasty before recruiting cards.

Once per game I knew and agree with as a balance change. Gold was a wee bit too consistent

Yeah, it'll probably make people less inclined to go for double 2-cost legacies and more for a 3 cost, unless the specific ability is needed.

Thanks for the comprehensive answer!

Also, a follow up: If I have two copies of Doru in play, is it legal to use both to force the discard of an additional card?

Real fast reminder, egg of panku can copy unique personalities right?

Yep

Would the destruction trait on Mountains of the Phoenix count for two personalities for Ring of Fire? Or does that not count as an action?

If it's a trait on the Terrain, it's not an Action.

Gotcha. Wasn't sure if the terrain itself counted as "the action".

Doubt it, but tbf I'm not an official source for answers.

I saw the confirmation emoji.

Though I noticed I got a thumbs up from THE official source so good to know I'm right 😄

Specifically worded so that it didn't interact as an action that caused destruction, as the action is "Battle: Put this Terrain into play at this battlefield"

So No Bamboo, but Golden Obi of the Sun Goddess xp2 does stuff it

Can Black Veiled Estate technically create a Raid on the opponent's turn? It doesn't have Sun Open, just Open.

Ninjas be sneaky 🙂

Thanks. I have so many eras of old rules in my head at this point that I feel like I need to double check things.

Thanks, was not sure when it changed as I only played imperial, then celestial, then ivory

Thanks!

Do the rulebook Favor actions count towards Ring of Air since they aren't on a Wind?

they aren't on cards

Ah, I see where I missed it

Can you get the Ring of Air with the Favor Action option? Right now I see Distractions at Court and Machinations. Is there another one I'm missing? Does using Honor to pay the Favor's cost count??

there's a few crane personalities who have favor actions on them.

and like, the only requirement is playing the favor actions, so I think that would be fine.

And/or would Lies, Lies, Lies count? It's an action that uses the favor... kinda.

The favor icon isn't in the cost.

I wound up taking the Ring of Air out of my Crane deck because actually pulling off three Favor actions in the same phase seems virtually impossible.

Do Cavalry units while defending get to assign as infantry first and then can move to oppose cavalry attackers?

I don't see why they would. Cavalry has never worked that way

I think they have always worked that way from back in the day, but I could be misremembering.

once they assign, they're done. They can't assign again

there have often been actions that could move them from place to place, and the Ivory Unicorn stronghold would allow them to reassign, but that was also after removing the Cavalry Maneuvers step.

They can assign as infantry, but can wait to assign as defending cavalry.

Maybe was it that cavalry in ivory/20F was a unit action and not a player action? so you could assign as infantry and then engage cav all your cav stuff?

Since it's going back to the old school, you first assign attacking infantry, then defending infantry, then attacking cavalry (with restrictions on undefended), and finally defending cavalry.

I have no idea what happened to Cav in Ivory/20F.

It was a Player action

You can only assign a unit once

I must just be misremembering. I thought defenders could assign cav people in the infantry segment and then move them during cavalry maneuvers. But I think I am mixing up the old cav with the engage to be all one thing.

I think you are, yes.

Ok, thanks. How does the rule differentiate when it is a forced choice or when it is open?

Does Yutomo attach a 2f follower to all targets of brothers?

Rules team? Playtesters? Anybody?

lol

The Reaction only happens once per turn, so it only attaches to one of the personalities.

You get to pick which personality to React to

its not triggering 3 times

it's one trigger

the bushido virtue targets 2-3 people

"Your Personality" is not "Your Personalities"

You are reacting to the action targeting one personality

So it doesn't trigger off of Blood Brothers? since its targeting 2?

or 3?

Brothers in Battle targets 3 people all separately, even if it is at the same time

You are reacting to one of those personalities being targeted

Ok sounds good

like... for the lion stronghold if I just wanted to use it for the discard part

Thanks!

Has the regular imperial favor been updated to have a sun action? or has the favor changed?

Follow up question!

Does this mean that recruiting Suzaku from dead must always be full price? No option to pay 2 less gold

There's no "2 less gold" in this edition

All personalities are at full price. Out of clan is 2 more gold than printed.

Correct.

Otherwise you'd better print akuma with a -2 gold cost

(My Hired Killer is free on Akuma? Sweet)

2 gold is always practically free

Always messy before the mca when they'd print the one of for some minor clan

So no recon at the raid only thereafter

Thanks

Follow up clarification. A player can only Proclaim (and gain Honor after recruiting) once per turn?

Yes

Question: if an ability requires bowing as a cost (ex. A spell like Call the Inferno). If I straighten that card, can I bow it and get its effect for a 2nd time?

I know cards with "Repeatable Battle/Open" can be used multiple times. But what if a bow cost doesn't have "repeatable"?

yeah once per turn if not repeatable

Can duty react to Storm Heart?

Yes

Thanks!!

How do these 2 interract

Targeting is after movement, if thats your question nue

Thats what I thought

1) yes

2) in Onyx Edition followers don't have HRs

fairly sure it cancels out just previous bonuses including weapons but not new bonuses

Setting to 0 is a one time effect that acts as a Force penalty. Afterwards, any new bonuses will add to the 0. Items technically give modifiers to Force

Thank you!

Hello. Question about Onyx édition : an action with the keyword « tactical « does not consume the tactician trait ? And does not need to target a tactician?

Tactical does require a Tactician, and does use up that Personality's use of Tactical for the turn

Thanks !

I have not seen that anywhere in the 20th festival rulebook

I know that was the case in Previous editiins. But it seems different in onyx / 20th festival according to the rulebook. No mention of tactical actions. Only the tactician trait is described.

It's in the Onyx Rules Datasheet, under Ability Keywords

https://oracleofthevoid.com/#game=l5r,#rulebook=onyx-she-datasheet,#page=11,#find=Tactical%20-%20Each%20Tactician%20may%20use%20one%20Tactical%20ability%20per%20turn.%20You

Also in Ivory Edition, yes.

It's time to turn the Tactical Action from Sacred Cow into Sacred Hamburger

but if they recruit normally, it would?

confusing

How do these 2 interact?

since react timing is weird

Reduces the honor loss caused (if any) by 3 (to 0), and rehonors a personality. Then, the personality targeted by the action is dishonored.

Thats how I thought it would would, but the reason it was confusing was because the action dishonors first, then causes honor loss. so I didn't know if I could specifically react after the dishonor.

i figured, making sure

If you pass naval and i pass first defenders action we go right to force count otherwise right?

Passing naval seems exceedingly unlikely though

Claude is a nasty rules lawyer... so many things...

I meant to ask, does the Egg also let you circumvent Loyal?

Loyal is only checked when entering play

Or changing controller

the 3D versions of these, what is the timing of unimpeachable vs being targeted by stormheart?

or this vs. Unimpeachable

thats cool. I likely wont remember that for a while but cool idea!