I was under the impression they were just... created cards
@Brook Cunningham Tournie game. Are created cards fate and dynasty cards... IE if I make a follower is it considered a fate card?
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Yes.
ok I didnt think they were
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Oh I see, they used to have tokens
but it was removed
got it
PH = 0? or equal to the person?
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Zero.
are dishonorable people less honorable than the created personality or does the dishonorable equal 0?
Dishonor = 0
boooooo
dislike this ruling
Tournie question, this card has a trait granting a character tactician, if someone VTDs the keyword tactician, what happens? since the spell is a trait
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@Brook Cunningham
It will remove the keyword.
That needs to get some clarity... since the trait is "while they are water" so it continuosly checks that
Continuous effects are still susceptible to suppression. They don't trump ongoing effects just because they have a longer/different duration.
I think you may be confusing the keyword removal with an instant effect, which only happens once instantly, then is done and has no duration, but it is not.
The problem is that it's a continuous effect on a spell, that is always checking, and then the VTD targets the personality, so the issue is that since a trait is a continuous effect, and the trait specifically says "while they are water" it is constantly checking... so unless there is some rule that dictates the trait stops checking or something I would think it would continue to check the water attribute.
Its just quite confusing due to it being a trait on a completely different card than the card being targeted.
But that was my assumption was that it could be turned off. Its just a weird interaction.
While it is continuous, new effects can be applied during that duration. The trait is giving the same instance of Tactician throughout the duration of "while they are water". If you remove the keyword with another effect, that removes that instance of the keyword. The continuous duration hasn't ended, because they still have the Spell and are still Water, they just no longer have the keyword for the duration of the suppression effect.
Can a character have more than one instance of a keyword?
No. Trying to give a keyword to a card that already has it simply fails.
What if they dont have it because of VTD and then would gain it again?
but can I remove a keyword and he gets a second instance that gives
That would work, yep.
do that mean he have that keyword again?
So... with the spell... VTD turns off tactician on the personality only... not the spell... so the spell would grant it to them again?
thats what Im saying
Effectively making the spell a perpetual motion effect making it impossible to turn off their tactician until the spell is removed.
lol
but I dont think it would be good if that worked like that, Id should work like keyword not like keyword on steroids.
No. The one on the Personality is the one from the Spell. VtD is effectively affecting both of them.
it doesn't say it is effecting the spell... just the granted keyword... but yeah... constant checking traits I think need some clarity.
At the moment it's quite confusing due to the nature of Traits.
like... I would understand if an action granted the keyword... like daughter's of mara granting cavalry.
then you just nix the keyword
Perhaps don't think of them as "constantly checking" but "on" or "off". It's "on" while attached and the Shugenja is Water, it's "off" when not. So, VtD is like a different lightswitch in the house that controls the same light. It turns the light "off", but even though the trait "lightswitch" is still in the "on" position, the "light" is now "off".
Good analogy!
Just looking to clarify - is an effect like this on Millet Farm only for the current turn? Some other holdings specify it is but some, like this one, don't.
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By default effects last until the end of the turn. If it doesn't say then that is the duration.
All right, thanks - that's what I figured but when there was other cards that did specify which is what brought up the confusion.
Specifying a duration is the exception
But with an effect that grants a +1GP wealth token, that token stays indefinitely?
Yes
Thank you! Catching up as it's been a long, long time since I played the CCG and playing some games against myself. Just want to make sure I'm interpreting things correct before I play a real game.
Ongoing effects last by default until the end of the turn. Creating something (like a token) is an instant effect and so has no fixed duration.
Do these 2 cards work together, or does the action need to be printed on the paragon card?
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They work together.
Interesting.
It still doesn't kill through followers for the 2nd action. The fear can still destroy followers via the jnterrupt
I just meant that the way it reads it feels like it could need to come from the paragon itself. But I was asking because the second action is targeting the paragon and doing a fear effect "through" him
it is just weirdly worded so I wasn't sure