Onyx Lives #rules-questions

October 2025

Messages from the Onyx Lives #rules-questions Discord channel, copied for Oracle of the Void. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings and the rulebooks may differ.

A player, 4 October 2025 04:15

[ShE] Sapphire Mine: can the extra gold ever become floating? Eg: I pay for a 6g item and bow two sapphire mines. Does this mean that I now have 2g floating? If so, I have been playing it wrong all this time.

A player, 4 October 2025 04:21

Feels incorrect but I can't say with certainty

A player, 4 October 2025 05:54

"When paying for a single Item" means the Gold it produces goes only towards the one Item you are Equipping. Any extra would be lost

A player, 6 October 2025 04:55

Question about the current storyline, what happened to the Onyx Champion? Is Yogo Ameiko getting a card?

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 6 October 2025 04:59 · in reply

That's more a question for this channel: (link)

A player, 6 October 2025 05:00

Ok thanks.

A player, 10 October 2025 04:24

[ShE] Like a Twig states that I must bow my unit. Does this mean that it doesn't work unless ALL cards in my unit are unbowed. So if even just one card in my unit is bowed, I cannot use Like a Twig with that unit? Or is there some kind of distinction between personalities and attachments, like I can use it even if an attachment is bowed so long as the personality is unbowed, or I can use it even if the personality is bowed so long as at least one attachment is unbowed?

Answers on: Like a Twig
A player, 10 October 2025 05:06

Id imagine the “Bow your target personality’s unit to” clause means that every card must be unbowed for it to take effect/resolve.

Like, reading the card it seems completely broken to me if that wasn’t the case. “Surprise, i bow my 1F follower since my personality is already bowed to kill your unit” not to mention the straightening part

(I am not a judge and haven’t played in over a decade)

A player, 10 October 2025 05:10

Man cards like these make me glad I avoid battles 😭

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 10 October 2025 09:25 · in reply

is correct. The entire unit must be unbowed to start.

A player, 18 October 2025 16:17

Question about Kata strategies...can I put into play a Kata card without discarding another Kata in play with the same title?

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 18 October 2025 16:19 · in reply

Most (all?) Kata say "discard all your other Kata". This means other than that exact one, regardless of same or different title.

A player, 18 October 2025 16:48 · in reply

If I'm understanding your question correctly, then discarding a Kata Strategy is not a cost of the action so if you don't have one in play to discard then it's not a big deal. It is only a way to prevent people from having multiple Kata in play

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 18 October 2025 16:50 · in reply

I read it as a misunderstanding of the scope of "other". Why else would the title be relevant to the question? But your added clarification is possibly needed too. Thanks. 🙂

A player, 18 October 2025 23:35 · in reply

I definitely understand what you mean. Just wanted some clarification about having multiple kata strategies with the same title in play. So yeah, you cannot put into play multiple copies of Cracks Appear...if you're gonna do that you'll need to discard that one copy already in play per wording, "Discard all your other Kata".

A player, 18 October 2025 23:38

As always, thank you for answering my question a player and @Brook Cunningham . 🙇‍♀️

A player, 27 October 2025 16:46

have question about combining Fears

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A player, 27 October 2025 16:47

there is on this tower two copies of Dark Vanguard

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A player, 27 October 2025 16:47

one Home no Ikemono

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A player, 27 October 2025 16:48

one Skeletal Troops

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A player, 27 October 2025 16:49

an one with RA 3 that does not matter now and it makes a commander conqueror

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A player, 27 October 2025 16:50

My take is: How High maximal range of Fear can be used from this follower on ENGAGE and on BATTLE action

A player, 27 October 2025 16:51

cause I quite NOT LIKE that my opponent was using battle actions turned interrupts in Engage segment and vice versa.

A player, 27 October 2025 16:52

in my understanding there is a window of interrupt and there is a reason why action is printed as Engage or Battle, and neither of thous were Engage/Battle

A player, 27 October 2025 16:54

as I understand it, combining Fears or Attacks have to share a phase keyword, therefore you could have Engage: 2xFear3=Fear6 ad Battle: 2xFear3=Fear 6

A player, 27 October 2025 16:55

Same reason you can't stack those Fears with an Open Fear like the one on Terrible Standard of Fu Leng - exp (If I recall the right card name)

A player, 27 October 2025 16:56

yes me too but my oponent was quite Sure it was not like that ans was stating that all thous actions are turned interrupts after he initiated fear action so he can use then "as he pleases"

A player, 27 October 2025 16:56

my wording not his words, byut a way how I "took" what he stated

A player, 27 October 2025 16:57
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A player, 27 October 2025 16:58

Third paragraphe, line 2-3: "that is appropriate to the phase"

A player, 27 October 2025 16:58

page 59, 20F CR

A player, 27 October 2025 17:03

He does take an Interrupt for each, but he doesn't transform the action itself into an Interrupt (kind of, he still uses the ability of that action).

A player, 27 October 2025 17:07

at least as I'm understanding the text

A player, 27 October 2025 17:08

I'll wait for Brooks either way I am now off tourney (2 lost games no hopes for top)

A player, 27 October 2025 17:10

kempy did point out in the S&M discord that I'm misreading, since the appropriate phase is the Attack Phase. Engage and Battle are both appropriate to the Attack Phase

A player, 27 October 2025 17:58

It also has to be able to target the same card. Example being called the inferno can target personalities through followers, if you have another range attack on that stack, it has to be able to do the same for it to be combined.

A player, 27 October 2025 18:00

I think the other exception is if you have a courage effect to raise or lower the fear strength can be done by both players

A player, 27 October 2025 19:42

Hi, is Fall Back a legal card in Shattered Empire Format?

A player, 27 October 2025 19:50

Seems like it

A player, 27 October 2025 20:15

It’s dual bugged in the HFW set

Jeff Williamson (rules official), 27 October 2025 20:17 · in reply
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A player, 27 October 2025 20:17

Yeah it doesn't come up in the database bleh

A player, 27 October 2025 20:29

Looking through Oracle, it’s shown as legal for Onyx/ShE but does not have the image for this version of the card

A player, 27 October 2025 20:55

I just searched for the card in Sun and Moon, under ShE legality, and it appeared without issues.

Jeff Williamson (rules official), 27 October 2025 21:16 · in reply

I pulled it out of Oracle, HFW version is the last variant