Rules for 3 November 2004

Your Rules for Wednesday, November 3, 2004

Here's the scenario :

We are in a battle, he has hayaku on defense, I am attacking with two personalities (Moto Latomu and Iuchi Yue, for example) It's his action, and he plays Overwhelmed.

Does his reaction to being destroyed as the cost for overwhelmed allow him to effectively shoot my Moto Latomu for 4, thus leaving only one personality at the province, which I must choose to destroy because I do not have two or more personalities in my army?

Yes. Hyaku must be destroyed to pay the cost of Overwhelmed during the Pay Costs step of taking the Action. You don't get to choose to send anyone home or destroy anyone until the Resolve Effects step, which comes later. Further, Hyaku's reaction comes before his destruction, so the sequence will be:

- Announce Overwhelmed

- Target Hyaku

- React before paying by destroying Hyaku with Hyaku's Reaction to shoot Latomu

- Destroy Hyaku to pay the cost of Overwhelmed

- Resolve Overwhelmed's effects - forcing you to deal with sending home 2 units or destroying your biggest Personality.

Tactical Battle Actions

In order to play a Battle action, I either have to start with presence or the action has to move one of my personalities into the battle, thus creating presence.

In order to play a Tactical Battle action, I believe that I have to have a Tactician at the battle and that Tactical Battle action will use up his one-use-per-battle opportunity to do his Tactician thing.

[MARTY] You only need the Tactician to be at the battle if the Rules or Card Text tell you so - such as mentioning "opposing," needing to fulfill Relevance by targeting a card at the battle, or having text saying "target Tactician in your army."

Superior Strategist and the Standard Tactical Action for instance, only require the performing target Tactician to be at the current battle because that's the only way to make the action meet the Rule of Relevance.

There is nothing on the books requiring an Tactician to be in the current battle to perform a Tactical Action for that battle. Indeed, Akodo Yobi uses his Tactical Reaction from the Fief quite handily.

Can I play a Tactical Battle action with no Tacticians in the battle if that Tactical Battle action will move a Tactician into the battle (like I can with generic Battle actions when I have no presence)?

Certainly. That will meet Presence and Relevance.

This is a general question, but I'm sure you know why I'm asking. *cough*rageofmatsu*cough*

Unofficially (since I don't have Web of Lies), Rage of Matsu looks to me like you could perform it with an Tactician in a completely unrelated battle or even in your Fief - so long as the Action you still meets Presence at the current battle. IE - you can attack Province A w/ Tadenori, Kuemon, and Korin and Province B w/ Tamago, then resolve the battle at Battlefield B and use Tadenori's Tactician Trait to perform a Rage of Matsu for Battle B (where he isn't even present!) to move a defender in front of Tamago.

Now all we need is a pool of sharks with lasers strapped to their heads and the plan will be complete. :)

Traits

If Ki-Rin's Shrine said "Your Human Personalities gain +1F/+1C and your Dragon Clan Personalities gain +1 Personal Honor," and was lacking the "While in play" bit, then all your Human Personalities would gain the +1F/+1C even while Ki-Rin's Shrine was in the deck or in the discard pile.

Here are my two questions: 1) Is what I said about Ki-Rin's Shrine correct? 2) Was there an additional rule added in Dawn or in Wrath that I missed? Perhaps one that said card traits only effect the card that they're printed on unless the card is in play?

Well, I don't really do hypotheticals. That's Jeff's department. Further, I have yet to receive any reference materials related to Dawn of the Empire, so I don't help you out there either. In short: Forwarded to Jeff.

honor loss negate/modify

If a card has an honor loss and it says that the honor loss can't be modified or redirected, can it still be negated?

No. The only thing that overrides the old "can be modified or redirected," is the standing ruling about the bulk of Shadowlands Horde strongholds that you can find in the Accumulated Rulings.

[Perhaps Jeff ;

)][Combo][Stupid bracket title] Combo of the day : Kaneka + Matsu's rage

Matsu's Rage Tactical Battle : Target a Personality in his controller's home. Move him into the current defending army. If he moved, straighten his unit. Kaneka

Tactical Battle: Bow an opposing unit. That unit's controller may instead bow at least two other units whose combined total Force exceeds Kaneka's Chi.

a.. If a player chooses to bow two units when his second ability is used, the other units to be bowed instead must be in the same army as the targeted unit. [Erratum, JA, 11 May 2004]

And here is the combo : I attack, say, with kaneka. Kaneka is my Attacking army. I have a Koto at home.

The defender is a military deck (if he won't, it would be no fun) and assigns a lot of personality to defend.

I won't focus on the defender's actions.

My first action : I use Kaneka to perform a Matsu's Rage on my own Koto, so that he moves to the opposing army.

Okay. Koto won't move though. Units you control can't enter an army unless you are its leader or a confirmed ally of its leader. And that pretty much ruins the rest of your clever combo.

That should cover everything from Wednesday, November 3, 2004 not related to Web of Lies. If I missed your question, please repost with the flag [RULES] as part of your Clear and Distinct Subject Line and I'll get back to you at the first opportunity.