Yoritomo Kanaye vs Halls of the Forgotten

L5R CCG Rules board, 29 August 2012 to 30 August 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 29 August 2012

Hello.

My opponent, a hated Kalani's Landing, has Kanaye out and he is facing Nikaru in a battle.

Opponent says that he is going to use Kanaye's ability to target my Nikaru who has no attachments. He has 9 gold, but he pauses for a second, insisting that I have to say if I use Halls of the Forgotten reaction first. So, seeing Kanaye's text (which has a 'may pay gold' clause after targeting), I am a bit puzzled on what's should be the right play:

a) Kanaye targets Nikaru and pays 9g trying to kill him. I use Halls to delay the destruction. b) Kanaye targets Nikaru. I use Halls to delay whatever Kanaye does. Kanaye skips paying the gold, so I finally delay a simple bowing?

Reference: Yoritomo Kanaye-> Battle: Target an enemy card without attachments, and you may pay Gold equal to its Gold Cost: Bow it. If you paid the Gold, destroy it.

Halls of the Forgotten-> Reaction: After another player's Battle action targets your Berserker: Delay its effects on him until after this battle ends.

Thank you!

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 30 August 2012

Hello.

My opponent, a hated Kalani's Landing, has Kanaye out and he is facing Nikaru in a battle.

Opponent says that he is going to use Kanaye's ability to target my Nikaru who has no attachments. He has 9 gold, but he pauses for a second, insisting that I have to say if I use Halls of the Forgotten reaction first. So, seeing Kanaye's text (which has a 'may pay gold' clause after targeting), I am a bit puzzled on what's should be the right play:

a) Kanaye targets Nikaru and pays 9g trying to kill him. I use Halls to delay the destruction. b) Kanaye targets Nikaru. I use Halls to delay whatever Kanaye does. Kanaye skips paying the gold, so I finally delay a simple bowing?

Reference: Yoritomo Kanaye-> Battle: Target an enemy card without attachments, and you may pay Gold equal to its Gold Cost: Bow it. If you paid the Gold, destroy it.

Halls of the Forgotten-> Reaction: After another player's Battle action targets your Berserker: Delay its effects on him until after this battle ends.

Thank you!

Scenario b is correct.

Halls of the Forgotten reacts immediately after your Berserker is targeted, which occurs before Kanaye's player pays any costs of the ability, mandatory or optional.