The Arcane Cloak of the Chameleons + Sundering Strike

L5R CCG Rules board, 30 July 2012 to 13 August 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 30 July 2012

If I target a person with sundering strike who has the The Arcane Cloak of the Chameleons on and another attachment can I target the cloak with the attachment destruction portion of the sundering or will I have to target the other card in the unit.

The Arcane Cloak of the Chameleons

Will only attach to a Scorpion Clan or Naga Personality. Other players may not target cards in this unit with actions if there are any other legal targets in this army. Battle: Move this Personality home.

Sundering Strike

Battle: Target an enemy Personality: You may target one of his attachments and pay Gold equal to its Gold Cost minus four. If you did, destroy it. Move the Personality home.

Alex Jones (rules official), 30 July 2012

If I target a person with sundering strike who has the The Arcane Cloak of the Chameleons on and another attachment can I target the cloak with the attachment destruction portion of the sundering or will I have to target the other card in the unit.

The Arcane Cloak of the Chameleons

Will only attach to a Scorpion Clan or Naga Personality. Other players may not target cards in this unit with actions if there are any other legal targets in this army. Battle: Move this Personality home.

Sundering Strike

Battle: Target an enemy Personality: You may target one of his attachments and pay Gold equal to its Gold Cost minus four. If you did, destroy it. Move the Personality home.

If you can target the Personality with the Arcane Cloak attached with Sundering Strike, then any attachment in his unit is a valid target for the optional targeting of Sundering Strike.

A player, 30 July 2012

So, regarding this thread: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=99129

I'm trying to Sundering Strike an Uta with Arcane Cloak of the Chameleons and Dazzling Attire. He's the only unit on that side of the battle. This is where I get confused. I can clearly target Uta with Sundering, but if I try to target either attachments, there IS another legal target for that part, which I think means I can't target either?

Similarly, if I use Unorthodox Attack instead of Sundering Strike, I get more confused. Unorthodox Attack simply targets a card, so I could - under normal circumstances - target Uta, the Cloak, or the Attire. However, if I target any of those, there ARE two other legal targets for the Unorthodox Attack, both of which are in the current army, which seems to satisfy the requirements for Arcane Cloak's "may not" clause...how does that all work out?

Cloak of the Chameleons makes my head hurt.

Alex Jones (rules official), 30 July 2012

So, regarding this thread: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=99129

I'm trying to Sundering Strike an Uta with Arcane Cloak of the Chameleons and Dazzling Attire. He's the only unit on that side of the battle. This is where I get confused. I can clearly target Uta with Sundering, but if I try to target either attachments, there IS another legal target for that part, which I think means I can't target either?

Similarly, if I use Unorthodox Attack instead of Sundering Strike, I get more confused. Unorthodox Attack simply targets a card, so I could - under normal circumstances - target Uta, the Cloak, or the Attire. However, if I target any of those, there ARE two other legal targets for the Unorthodox Attack, both of which are in the current army, which seems to satisfy the requirements for Arcane Cloak's "may not" clause...how does that all work out?

Cloak of the Chameleons makes my head hurt.

Good point.

Under discussion.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 13 August 2012

Solved now, in this new section: Conditional Choice Restriction Conflicts.

Per that, Alex's original ruling is upheld and stands. The paradox of the Cloak resolves with all legal targets in its unit being valid choices, if they are the only legal targets for the action.