A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 19 July 2012
Yasuki Tsujiken 3F/4C -(HR)/10(GC)/0(PH) Crab Clan • Courtier • Crime Boss • Merchant Reaction: After Tsujiken enters play, target a Holding: Until Tsujiken leaves play, after each time its controller bows it, he loses 1 Honor. Open: Bow Tsujiken and target a Holding: Straighten it. You may bow it if its base Gold Cost is 4 or lower.
Yoritomo Tarao 4F/3C -(HR)/8(GC)/1(PH) Mantis Clan • Samurai • Extortionist • Magistrate • Naval Open: Pay 2 Gold: Choose a player. He targets one of his unbowed Personalities or Holdings or a card in his hand. If the targeted card is in his hand, discard it. Otherwise, bow it.
ok, back again...this time i have a question about Tsujiken's Reaction and Tarao's Open action... if i target a holding with Tsujiken's Reaction and my opponent decides to target that seem holding when i target my opponent with Tarao's Open action, do they lose the honor becasue they chose that holding to bow (and it's technically the controller bowing the holding because of their choice), or is it me bowing the holding so they don't lose the honor? Thanks in advance.
Jon Palmer (rules official), 22 July 2012
Yasuki Tsujiken 3F/4C -(HR)/10(GC)/0(PH) Crab Clan • Courtier • Crime Boss • Merchant Reaction: After Tsujiken enters play, target a Holding: Until Tsujiken leaves play, after each time its controller bows it, he loses 1 Honor. Open: Bow Tsujiken and target a Holding: Straighten it. You may bow it if its base Gold Cost is 4 or lower.
Yoritomo Tarao 4F/3C -(HR)/8(GC)/1(PH) Mantis Clan • Samurai • Extortionist • Magistrate • Naval Open: Pay 2 Gold: Choose a player. He targets one of his unbowed Personalities or Holdings or a card in his hand. If the targeted card is in his hand, discard it. Otherwise, bow it.
ok, back again...this time i have a question about Tsujiken's Reaction and Tarao's Open action... if i target a holding with Tsujiken's Reaction and my opponent decides to target that seem holding when i target my opponent with Tarao's Open action, do they lose the honor becasue they chose that holding to bow (and it's technically the controller bowing the holding because of their choice), or is it me bowing the holding so they don't lose the honor? Thanks in advance.
EDIT: After discussion, this ruling is reversed. Since Tarao's ability causes the holding to become bowed, he is the source of the bowing, rather than the targeted player. Therefore, Tsujiken's honor loss will not trigger.
A player, 23 July 2012
In reference to: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=98973
Could you clarify this a little bit, I'm just not sure when it's me that (being on the receiving end of Tarao) bows a card for my opponent's card effect. What bit of Tarao's card text means that it's the player who controls the holding that actually bows the targeted holding, or is it something missing from the text (like the "you may bow it" bit of Tsujiken's text)?
How often is this the case, that it's the targeted player who is responsible for enacting the effect of a card, for examle:
1) Is it always considered to be me that bows a card when my opponent plays an action that says "bow X" (Like Ascending the Ranks, for example)? 2) If not, does this also apply for other cards where you are forced to target your own personalities/holdings/etc (Like Desperate Mediation)?
Alex Jones (rules official), 23 July 2012
In reference to: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=98973
Could you clarify this a little bit, I'm just not sure when it's me that (being on the receiving end of Tarao) bows a card for my opponent's card effect. What bit of Tarao's card text means that it's the player who controls the holding that actually bows the targeted holding, or is it something missing from the text (like the "you may bow it" bit of Tsujiken's text)?
How often is this the case, that it's the targeted player who is responsible for enacting the effect of a card, for examle:
1) Is it always considered to be me that bows a card when my opponent plays an action that says "bow X" (Like Ascending the Ranks, for example)? 2) If not, does this also apply for other cards where you are forced to target your own personalities/holdings/etc (Like Desperate Mediation)?
As you'll see above, the original ruling has been reversed.