Rhetoric and Destructive Priorities

L5R CCG Rules board, 17 June 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 17 June 2012

Greetings, My opponent is about to gain Honor from an action effect during my turn. I'm reacting with Rhetoric to steal his gain. Can I then react with Destructive Priorities to make my opponent lose Honor instead?

Rhetoric Political Reaction: Before a player gains or loses Honor from an action's effects, bow your performing Courtier: Choose another player. If the Courtier's Chi is higher than or equal to the Honor gain or loss, the chosen player instead of the original player takes the gain or loss

Destructive Priorities Kata • Political You have the ability, "Political Reaction: Before you gain Honor during your turn, bow your performing Courtier: Negate the gain. Choose a player. He loses 2 Honor."

Ben Higgins (rules official), 17 June 2012

Greetings, My opponent is about to gain Honor from an action effect during my turn. I'm reacting with Rhetoric to steal his gain. Can I then react with Destructive Priorities to make my opponent lose Honor instead?

Rhetoric Political Reaction: Before a player gains or loses Honor from an action's effects, bow your performing Courtier: Choose another player. If the Courtier's Chi is higher than or equal to the Honor gain or loss, the chosen player instead of the original player takes the gain or loss

Destructive Priorities Kata • Political You have the ability, "Political Reaction: Before you gain Honor during your turn, bow your performing Courtier: Negate the gain. Choose a player. He loses 2 Honor."

Yes. Both Rhetoric and Destructive Priorities have (essentially) the same trigger, "Before a player gains honor."

You will be able to react with Rhetoric, then your opponent may react to the same trigger or pass, then you get another opportunity to react to the same trigger with your Destructive Priorities.