Targeting and redirection/negation

L5R CCG Rules board, 27 May 2012 to 28 May 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 27 May 2012

i used A Paragon's Strength range 7 to try to kill a 8F kensai with a weapon.

he said ok since the range str is not enough to kill him... i then reacted with Archery Range to make it a 8F range attack.

question is after i have reacted with archery range,

1. Can he still react with Hundred-Fold Cut to negate the destruction?

or

2. Can he still use redirection like chugoseido/ryoshun'sguidance/benten'sblessing/bladeofchampions and the like to redirect it?

[Added card titles, changed links to the Oracle of the Void -- MB2001]

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 28 May 2012

i used A Paragon's Strength range 7 to try to kill a 8F kensai with a weapon.

he said ok since the range str is not enough to kill him... i then reacted with Archery Range to make it a 8F range attack.

question is after i have reacted with archery range,

1. Can he still react with Hundred-Fold Cut to negate the destruction?

or

2. Can he still use redirection like chugoseido/ryoshun'sguidance/benten'sblessing/bladeofchampions and the like to redirect it?

[Added card titles, changed links to the Oracle of the Void -- MB2001]

1) Yes.

This is because the trigger for the Ranged Attack strength increase Reaction is the negation Reaction you mentioned; after targeting. So, the opportunity to take them remains until both players pass their chance to react to that trigger.

2) No.

The Reaction trigger for target-changing actions such as those you mentioned is "when [an action would; or thereabouts]", and "when" comes before "after", so the opportunity to take such Reaction would have already passed.

[Fixed!]

A player, 28 May 2012

Regarding http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=98130, I note a problem.

For question 1, certainly after Player A had used Archery Range, Player B could react with Hundred-Fold Cut to negate the destruction.

However, for question 2, from this topic http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=98017&p=1293505&hilit=would+target#p1293505, it was clearly stated that "would target" comes before "after targeting." Thus, the window to use redirection would have passed.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 28 May 2012

Regarding http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=98130, I note a problem.

For question 1, certainly after Player A had used Archery Range, Player B could react with Hundred-Fold Cut to negate the destruction.

However, for question 2, from this topic http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=98017&p=1293505&hilit=would+target#p1293505, it was clearly stated that "would target" comes before "after targeting." Thus, the window to use redirection would have passed.

Too busy rearranging the links to get both questions right!

Fixed.