Creating Order and spells

L5R CCG Rules board, 25 May 2012 to 26 May 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 25 May 2012

Creating Order Battle/Open: Target one or two Personalities: Either negate all current and new Force bonuses and penalties on them from actions, or straighten their units.

If I target a shugenja with Creating Order then he attaches a spell with a force bonus, would they get the bonus from the spell since attaching a spell is a limited/battle action?

Ben Higgins (rules official), 26 May 2012

Creating Order Battle/Open: Target one or two Personalities: Either negate all current and new Force bonuses and penalties on them from actions, or straighten their units.

If I target a shugenja with Creating Order then he attaches a spell with a force bonus, would they get the bonus from the spell since attaching a spell is a limited/battle action?

While attaching the Spell may be a Limited/Battle action, but most of the Spells that have force bonuses/penalties in the Age of Conquest arc have those Force bonuses/penalties as traits, which Creating Order does not suppress.

For example, Creating Order would remove the Force bonus/penalty from Conflagration or Erosion, but not Channeling the Fallen or Strength of the Tsunami.