Re: Plains of the Maiden - Twice in one battle resolution?

L5R CCG Rules board, 22 May 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 22 May 2012

I recently re-read this ruling and now I'm a little confused.

During the Resolution Segment (the attacker wins) the battle maidens crush an army in step 2i and the stronghold triggers gaining some honor. Then they crush the province during step 2ii and the stronghold triggers gaining even more honor. Then in step 2iii they gain honor for each card they crushed during step 2i and as far as I can tell that effect comes from battle resolution itself.

The exception for dishonorable maidens states that "Before a player with one or more dishonorable Personalities in his or her army gains Honor from destroying enemy cards in battle resolution, all such dishonorable Personalities are rehonored, an effect that substitutes for the Honor gain."

What I'm confused about is the exception for re-honoring; does it only apply to step 2iii? If if only applies to step 2iii, then I see why the previous ruling is correct but it seems to me like the exception should trigger whenever there is honor gain during battle resolution if the attacker wins.

The other parts of resolution (the defender wins) specially state when the exception applies.

Jon Palmer (rules official), 22 May 2012

I recently re-read this ruling and now I'm a little confused.

During the Resolution Segment (the attacker wins) the battle maidens crush an army in step 2i and the stronghold triggers gaining some honor. Then they crush the province during step 2ii and the stronghold triggers gaining even more honor. Then in step 2iii they gain honor for each card they crushed during step 2i and as far as I can tell that effect comes from battle resolution itself.

The exception for dishonorable maidens states that "Before a player with one or more dishonorable Personalities in his or her army gains Honor from destroying enemy cards in battle resolution, all such dishonorable Personalities are rehonored, an effect that substitutes for the Honor gain."

What I'm confused about is the exception for re-honoring; does it only apply to step 2iii? If if only applies to step 2iii, then I see why the previous ruling is correct but it seems to me like the exception should trigger whenever there is honor gain during battle resolution if the attacker wins.

The other parts of resolution (the defender wins) specially state when the exception applies.

Yes, the re-honoring from honor gain will only apply to step 2iii, as neither gain from Plains of the Maiden meets the conditions for rehonoring.