Ryoshun's Guidance Vs Ring of Fire

L5R CCG Rules board, 25 April 2012 to 26 April 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 25 April 2012

Player A controls Ryoshun's Guidance in an army with two personalities with chi 3 and 4 (would be 2 and 3 without the guidance). Player B has a chi 3 personality and announces Ring of Fire, targeting the personality with equal chi, since the other wouldn't be a legal target for him. Player A reacts with Ryoshun's Guidance to change the target to the other personality, would that be a legal play since the legality of the target is checked after discarding Ryoshun's Guidance?

Alex Jones (rules official), 25 April 2012

Player A controls Ryoshun's Guidance in an army with two personalities with chi 3 and 4 (would be 2 and 3 without the guidance). Player B has a chi 3 personality and announces Ring of Fire, targeting the personality with equal chi, since the other wouldn't be a legal target for him. Player A reacts with Ryoshun's Guidance to change the target to the other personality, would that be a legal play since the legality of the target is checked after discarding Ryoshun's Guidance?

It's legal, and it works.

A player, 25 April 2012

In post viewtopic.php?f=59&t=97616 a ruling was made that Ryoshun's Guidance could redirect the Ring of Fire to a personality that doesn't meet its constraints block (at least as far as I can tell). Can your provide more clarification on the sequence of how the two cards play out?

Ring of Fire Battle: Bow this card or discard it from your hand, destroy your performing Personality, and target an enemy Personality with equal or lower Chi: Destroy him.

Ryoshun's Guidance Reaction: When another player's action would target one of your cards, discard this card: Choose another of your non-Stronghold cards at the same location. The action targets it instead, if legal.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 26 April 2012

In post viewtopic.php?f=59&t=97616 a ruling was made that Ryoshun's Guidance could redirect the Ring of Fire to a personality that doesn't meet its constraints block (at least as far as I can tell). Can your provide more clarification on the sequence of how the two cards play out?

1. You have two Personalities at a battle with 3 and 4 Chi (thanks to the +1C from Ryoshun's Guidance, which is what I believe you missed).

2. Enemy leader announces Ring of Fire, chooses a 3C performer and targets your 3C guy.

3. You React with RG's ability. First comes the cost of discarding it. NOW, your two guys only have 2C and 3C respectively.

4. In resolving its effects, you choose the (now) 3C guy. Ryoshun's last effect changes the targeting to him, if legal, which it now is, thanks to him having lost his Chi bonus.