items on bowed personalitys

L5R CCG Rules board, 22 April 2012 to 23 April 2012

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A player, 22 April 2012

Have a little problem.

In rulerbook it is whriten that if personality can't perform actions it also can't perform actions from items that are atteched to it. How it works for ex. if I have bowed personality with this item http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=8823,#hashid=b46f2e5aff3491346ee6149db5532ec4,#cardcount=33 Tsuruchi Daikyu can I use it's abillity even when my perso. is bowed?

And second one: If I have action that bow's a unit does it also bows items in that unit or just perosnalitys and follower ie: does items are also a part of unit?

Best regards

Alex Jones (rules official), 23 April 2012

Have a little problem.

In rulerbook it is whriten that if personality can't perform actions it also can't perform actions from items that are atteched to it. How it works for ex. if I have bowed personality with this item http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=8823,#hashid=b46f2e5aff3491346ee6149db5532ec4,#cardcount=33 Tsuruchi Daikyu can I use it's abillity even when my perso. is bowed?

And second one: If I have action that bow's a unit does it also bows items in that unit or just perosnalitys and follower ie: does items are also a part of unit?

Best regards

You may use the ability on a Tsuruchi Daikyu when its Personality is bowed.

Your logic would appear to be:

1. Abilities on bowed cards may not be used - True, see Abilities. 2. In particular, abilities on bowed Personalities may not used be used - True, from 1. 3. Actions from abilities on Personalities are performed by the Personality - True, see Perform. 4. Thus, bowed Personalities may not perform actions from abilities on them - True, from 2 & 3. 5. Actions from abilities on Items and Spells are performed by the Personality to whom they are attached - True, see Perform again. 6. Thus, abilities on Items and Spells attached to a Personality who may not perform actions may not be used - True, from 4 & 5. 7. A bowed Personality may not perform actions - False, this does not follow from 4. 8. Thus, bowed Personalities may not perform actions from abilities on Items and Spells attached to them - False, would follow from 6 & 7, but the latter is false.

A unit is made up of a Personality and all his or her attached cards, so an effect that bows a unit bows the Personality and any Followers, Items or Spells attached to him.