Re: Seppun Sensei vs. negation, maximum and substitution

L5R CCG Rules board, 28 February 2012 to 2 March 2012

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 28 February 2012

In reference to this: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=96209

Sorry to repost the question, but I am under the impression that several things changed with the Oracle of the Void's texts. Namely, negation seems to be unaffected by Seppun Sensei, since it is not the same as decreasing the gain or loss. So I think answers 1, 3 and 4 should be reversed. Am I wrong?

Seppun Sensei (Oracle of the Void's text) [...] Your Honor losses and gains will not be increased, decreased, given to another player, or copied.

Darling of the Season (Oracle of the Void's text) Until the game ends, after a player has lost 5 total points of Honor from other players' cards' effects in one turn, counting incremental portions of losses, negate further points lost from such effects that turn, including partially negating portions of losses before they would make a player lose more than 5 points.

Deeds, not Words (Oracle of the Void's text) [...] Sources besides these which cause him to gain Honor have their gains negated and cause him an Honor loss equal to the amount negated.

Alex Jones (rules official), 2 March 2012

In reference to this: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=96209

Sorry to repost the question, but I am under the impression that several things changed with the Oracle of the Void's texts. Namely, negation seems to be unaffected by Seppun Sensei, since it is not the same as decreasing the gain or loss. So I think answers 1, 3 and 4 should be reversed. Am I wrong?

Seppun Sensei (Oracle of the Void's text) [...] Your Honor losses and gains will not be increased, decreased, given to another player, or copied.

Darling of the Season (Oracle of the Void's text) Until the game ends, after a player has lost 5 total points of Honor from other players' cards' effects in one turn, counting incremental portions of losses, negate further points lost from such effects that turn, including partially negating portions of losses before they would make a player lose more than 5 points.

Deeds, not Words (Oracle of the Void's text) [...] Sources besides these which cause him to gain Honor have their gains negated and cause him an Honor loss equal to the amount negated.

After discussion, the relevant trait of Seppun Sensei has been changed to: Your Honor losses and gains will not be negated, substituted, increased, decreased, given to another player, or copied.