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A second question on this today.
Plains read: This province holds two Dynasty cards: do not reveal the second card in the Events Phase this card enters play. You decide each time which card slot if revealed, resolved or refilled first.
Before this province is destroyed: Lose 10 Honor.
I want to know during the first time this region resolves and attaches to a province, do the first dynasty card gets flipped at all, or both of them will not be flipped.
A second question on this today.
Plains read: This province holds two Dynasty cards: do not reveal the second card in the Events Phase this card enters play. You decide each time which card slot if revealed, resolved or refilled first.
Before this province is destroyed: Lose 10 Honor.
I want to know during the first time this region resolves and attaches to a province, do the first dynasty card gets flipped at all, or both of them will not be flipped.
No, the first (and likely only) time a copy of Plains of Otosan Uchi attaches in a game, you would refill the province with with a facedown Dynasty cards, then because the province is still below it's maximum number of Dynasty card's it holds, you would attempt to refill it again, facedown.
You would then move on to flipping face-up the next Province to the right, as per the sequence of play for the Events Phase, step F.
Regarding this ruling: http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=96378
Plains of Otosan Uchi reads: "This Province holds two Dynasty cards; do not reveal the second card in the Events Phase this card enters play. You decide each time which card slot is revealed, resolved, or refilled first. Before this province is destroyed: Lose 10 Honor."
Since the player can decide which order the card slots are refilled, the player can decide to refill the right-most province first then the left-most province second. Afterward, the right-most province (being the first card, not the second) may then be revealed per the following ruling: If it attaches to a province while that province is being revealed during the Events Phase, the second card can be revealed before moving to the next Province. [JA, 26 August 2004] (http://rules.l5r.com/Older_Card_Rulings_P-Q)
Correct?
Regarding this ruling: http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=96378
Plains of Otosan Uchi reads: "This Province holds two Dynasty cards; do not reveal the second card in the Events Phase this card enters play. You decide each time which card slot is revealed, resolved, or refilled first. Before this province is destroyed: Lose 10 Honor."
Since the player can decide which order the card slots are refilled, the player can decide to refill the right-most province first then the left-most province second. Afterward, the right-most province (being the first card, not the second) may then be revealed per the following ruling: If it attaches to a province while that province is being revealed during the Events Phase, the second card can be revealed before moving to the next Province. [JA, 26 August 2004] (http://rules.l5r.com/Older_Card_Rulings_P-Q)
Correct?
The seven and a half year old ruling to which you are referring is directly contradicted by the card's current text.
Regarding this ruling: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=96378
The ruling I cited may be 7 years old, but the point I was trying to make was valid regardless. I would appreciate my entire post being read and responded to. Thanks.
Regarding this ruling: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=96378
The ruling I cited may be 7 years old, but the point I was trying to make was valid regardless. I would appreciate my entire post being read and responded to. Thanks.
Please do not make passive-aggressive accusations of the Rules Team not doing their job. Also, welcome back!
In this case, it does not matter whether the left- or right-most province is filled "first". Whichever province is filled first will not flip because the "first" slot has already flipped this turn, the same as any other province in which a region is revealed. Jeff's original ruling was based on the argument that in proceeding from left to right, if the second card filled to the right of the replaced slot from which Plains of Otosan-Uchi entered play, in proceeding to reveal provinces from left to right you had an option to flip the second card (I know this because I argued with him at length about it when he made the ruling at GenCon 2004).
Under the current wording, if you fill the provinces left first, right second, the right card will not reveal due to the Emperor Edition card text. If you fill the provinces right first, left second, the right province will not reveal because the card from that slot has already been revealed, and the left province will not reveal both because of left to right province flipping AND because of the card's text.