A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 10 February 2012
Hi,
As long as Ninja Stronghold "pays" for the extra 2 gold in order to waive the Honor Requirement of a personality I want to bring into play, the following should be OK. For example, I want to use Soul Jar (or any card that allow me to waive the cost) on a personality who share my Clan Alignment.
My plan : I increase the gold cost of my dead personality to waive his honor requirement. Soul Jar allow me to waive the cost so it enters play even if my family honor is lower than the personality's honor requirement. can I do that ?
Is there any mechanical difference between "Waiving Cost" and "Ignoring Cost" ?
Parts of rules info :
"Clan Discount and Ignoring Honor Requirements Now all rules for bringing people into play, except Proclaim, apply at all times, meaning you can apply your clan discount and pay extra gold to ignore honor requirements any time you bring someone of your clan into play. This change was made to simply be more intuitive." (http://www.l5r.com/news/emperor-edition ... new-rules/)
(The EE Comprehensive Rules seem unclear/contradictory on this matter, saying "if it's the player's dynasty phase" under "Playing Personalities" and then "before each time a player brings a personality into play" [with an obvious lack of stipulations] under "Clan Alignment and Entering Play".) http://rules.l5r.com/EE_Card_types#Personalities
Card Text : Soul Jar : Limited: Bow this Personality: Lose 3 Honor. Target one of your dead Personalities. He enters play, waiving costs
Ninja Stronghold : Bow this card to put any Ninja card into play without gold cost. Variable cost cards may not be paid for in this manner.
Thanks in advance, Regards, Rémi.
Jon Palmer (rules official), 11 February 2012
Hi,
As long as Ninja Stronghold "pays" for the extra 2 gold in order to waive the Honor Requirement of a personality I want to bring into play, the following should be OK. For example, I want to use Soul Jar (or any card that allow me to waive the cost) on a personality who share my Clan Alignment.
My plan : I increase the gold cost of my dead personality to waive his honor requirement. Soul Jar allow me to waive the cost so it enters play even if my family honor is lower than the personality's honor requirement. can I do that ?
Is there any mechanical difference between "Waiving Cost" and "Ignoring Cost" ?
Parts of rules info :
"Clan Discount and Ignoring Honor Requirements Now all rules for bringing people into play, except Proclaim, apply at all times, meaning you can apply your clan discount and pay extra gold to ignore honor requirements any time you bring someone of your clan into play. This change was made to simply be more intuitive." (http://www.l5r.com/news/emperor-edition ... new-rules/)
(The EE Comprehensive Rules seem unclear/contradictory on this matter, saying "if it's the player's dynasty phase" under "Playing Personalities" and then "before each time a player brings a personality into play" [with an obvious lack of stipulations] under "Clan Alignment and Entering Play".) http://rules.l5r.com/EE_Card_types#Personalities
Card Text : Soul Jar : Limited: Bow this Personality: Lose 3 Honor. Target one of your dead Personalities. He enters play, waiving costs
Ninja Stronghold : Bow this card to put any Ninja card into play without gold cost. Variable cost cards may not be paid for in this manner.
Thanks in advance, Regards, Rémi.
Correct, if you're waiving the cost with a card like Ninja Stronghold you may choose to pay the extra two gold and then waive the higher cost.