Which of the following count as an action from a non-kiho strategy for Ring of the Void, if any?
An action granted by a Kata such as Destructive Priorities? An action granted by Spirit of the Truth?
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Which of the following count as an action from a non-kiho strategy for Ring of the Void, if any?
An action granted by a Kata such as Destructive Priorities? An action granted by Spirit of the Truth?
Which of the following count as an action from a non-kiho strategy for Ring of the Void, if any?
An action granted by a Kata such as Destructive Priorities? An action granted by Spirit of the Truth?
Actions taken using abilities granted to a player are "from" the card which granted the action.
Actions taken using abilities granted to a card are "from" the card to which the ability has been given.
Ring of the Void: After you resolve your fourth or later non-Kiho action from Strategies in one phase: ...
Glossary, From: Some things check to see if costs, effects, actions, targeting, or other game procedures come “from” a given source. The source is the card that the effect, action or targeting is printed on, or the rulebook if it is printed there. There are three exceptions: ... 3. Costs and effects of traits and abilities given to other cards, copied from other cards, or on created cards, come from the card they are currently on.
Glossary, On: An ability, a trait or a keyword on a card is one either printed on the card, or granted to it by some effect. Abilities granted to a player by cards or the rulebook are "on" the player, but come "from" their card or rulebook source.
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I saw [url=Ring of the Void + Katas/Spirits]this[/url] and just wanted a clarification.
The action from the Kata would count for RoV along with playing a Spirit of card from the hand but not the action granted to the personality from the Spirit of card. Correct?
Hi,
Following this thread Ring of the Void + Katas/Spirits, can I meet the requirement of the Ring of the Void using many times the same formation ability ? (Formation Strategy abilities are not only usable once per turn) Before reading the other thread, I would say no but now I am confuse.
Card's Text: Invincible Legion: Center Formation Formed by all Personalities you control, minimum of 2, opposed by an army with greater total Force. Battle: Search your Fate deck for a card. Put it in your hand.
Ring of the Void: After you resolve your fourth or later non-Kiho action from Strategies in one phase: You may put this card into play from your hand.
Regards, Rémi.
Hi,
Following this thread Ring of the Void + Katas/Spirits, can I meet the requirement of the Ring of the Void using many times the same formation ability ? (Formation Strategy abilities are not only usable once per turn) Before reading the other thread, I would say no but now I am confuse.
Card's Text: Invincible Legion: Center Formation Formed by all Personalities you control, minimum of 2, opposed by an army with greater total Force. Battle: Search your Fate deck for a card. Put it in your hand.
Ring of the Void: After you resolve your fourth or later non-Kiho action from Strategies in one phase: You may put this card into play from your hand.
Regards, Rémi.
In the words of my colleague: "Bad Alex! You're confusing people with your completely clear rulings!" So...
Each action taken using an ability on a Formation in play counts towards Ring of the Void.
An action that puts its Kata card into play counts towards Ring of the Void.
An action from an ability granted to a player by a Kata card in play counts towards Ring of the Void.
An action taken using an ability on a Kata in play counts towards Ring of the Void.
An action taken using an ability on a Strategy that grants an ability to another card counts towards Ring of the Void.
An action taken using an ability printed on a non-Strategy card does not count towards Ring of the Void.
An action taken using an ability granted to a non-Strategy card does not count towards Ring of the Void.
Now I'm confused as well...
Glossary, From: Some things check to see if costs, effects, actions, targeting, or other game procedures come “from” a given source. The source is the card that the effect, action or targeting is printed on, or the rulebook if it is printed there. There are three exceptions: ... 3. Costs and effects of traits and abilities given to other cards, copied from other cards, or on created cards, come from the card they are currently on.
An action taken using an ability on a Strategy that grants an ability to another card counts towards Ring of the Void.
Doesn't the second sentence (which is the 3rd from last in your post) imply that an action taken from a Spirit's granted ability counts, contradicting the rule about the ability being from the personality?
edit: Ah ok, I see now. Thanks for the clarification.
Now I'm confused as well...
Glossary, From: Some things check to see if costs, effects, actions, targeting, or other game procedures come “from” a given source. The source is the card that the effect, action or targeting is printed on, or the rulebook if it is printed there. There are three exceptions: ... 3. Costs and effects of traits and abilities given to other cards, copied from other cards, or on created cards, come from the card they are currently on.
An action taken using an ability on a Strategy that grants an ability to another card counts towards Ring of the Void.
Doesn't the second sentence (which is the 3rd from last in your post) imply that an action taken from a Spirit's granted ability counts, contradicting the rule about the ability being from the personality?
edit: Ah ok, I see now. Thanks for the clarification.
No, because that sentence is about an action that grants an ability, not an action using the granted ability.