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A player, 3 January 2012
Hi Guys,
This question came up in conversation this evening I felt it needed a Rules Forum clarification.
If a holding has been targeted multiple times by Scars of War say in this example 3 times and then the holding bows will the Forgotten Temple player lose 1 or 3 honour as the honos is coming from 3 separate sources.
Scars of war relevant text Political Limited: Bow your performing Courtier and target a Holding: Until the game ends, after each time it bows or an ability on it resolves, its controller loses 1 Honor.
Forgotten Temple relevant text You do not gain Honor. You may not take Political actions. You do not lose Honor from cards you own. Before you lose Honor: Reduce the loss to 1, which may not be increased.
On a related tangent if a player bow a Recruitment officer that has been targeted with Scars of War to make a person (i.e Bows it and uses an ability on it) will they lose 2 honour?
Thanks in advance
Azrael
Alex Jones (rules official), 3 January 2012
Hi Guys,
This question came up in conversation this evening I felt it needed a Rules Forum clarification.
If a holding has been targeted multiple times by Scars of War say in this example 3 times and then the holding bows will the Forgotten Temple player lose 1 or 3 honour as the honos is coming from 3 separate sources.
Scars of war relevant text Political Limited: Bow your performing Courtier and target a Holding: Until the game ends, after each time it bows or an ability on it resolves, its controller loses 1 Honor.
Forgotten Temple relevant text You do not gain Honor. You may not take Political actions. You do not lose Honor from cards you own. Before you lose Honor: Reduce the loss to 1, which may not be increased.
On a related tangent if a player bow a Recruitment officer that has been targeted with Scars of War to make a person (i.e Bows it and uses an ability on it) will they lose 2 honour?
Thanks in advance
Azrael
When the Holding bows, each Scars of War that has been played on it creates a separate honour loss, which individually trigger The Forgotten Temple's trait: you will lose 3 honour.
Similarly, the honour losses from Scars of War for the Holding bowing and for its ability resolving are separate, and individually trigger The Forgotten Temple's trait: you will lose 2 honour.