A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 24 March 2011
I didn't see much for Night Watchers here, and nothing with Takaharu.
My question is this. Can you use both reactions in response to a targeting? If so, does the resolution of one complete before the other one occurs?
Example......
Say a player targets Takaharu with an action that gives a target card -4 force.
Can I then react to this by attaching Night Watchers... which does NOT change the legality or targeting of the original action.
And THEN can I also use Takaharus reaction to redirect this force penalty to the newly attached Night Watchers? Both reactions seem straight forward, but the timing of multiple reactions, and responding to a single trigger event is the questionable area for me.
Relevant texts:
Night Watchers "Reaction: AFter another player's Battle action targets your Ninja Personality, if this card is in your hand: Attach it to the Personality. If he is no longer a legal target for the action, the action's cost are ignored and its effects do not happen."
Takaharu "Reaction: When another player's Battle action would target a Ninja at Takaharu’s battlefield: It targets a different Ninja you control at that battlefield, if legal."
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 24 March 2011
I didn't see much for Night Watchers here, and nothing with Takaharu.
My question is this. Can you use both reactions in response to a targeting? If so, does the resolution of one complete before the other one occurs?
Example......
Say a player targets Takaharu with an action that gives a target card -4 force.
Can I then react to this by attaching Night Watchers... which does NOT change the legality or targeting of the original action.
And THEN can I also use Takaharus reaction to redirect this force penalty to the newly attached Night Watchers? Both reactions seem straight forward, but the timing of multiple reactions, and responding to a single trigger event is the questionable area for me.
Relevant texts:
Night Watchers "Reaction: AFter another player's Battle action targets your Ninja Personality, if this card is in your hand: Attach it to the Personality. If he is no longer a legal target for the action, the action's cost are ignored and its effects do not happen."
Takaharu "Reaction: When another player's Battle action would target a Ninja at Takaharu’s battlefield: It targets a different Ninja you control at that battlefield, if legal."
Reactions (like all actions) are always taken, and resolve completely, one at a time (http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Timing#Priority).
http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Timing#Resolvin ... _conflicts: "The order of resolution means that triggered effects that come first, due to the above order, the order of Reactions, or the active player’s decision, can negate or otherwise make impossible triggered effects and Reactions that come later. When this happens, Reactions to the now nonexistent trigger may not be taken, and other effects are not triggered by it."
So if one target is changed from A to B by a Reaction, you can no longer react to something targeting A... because it isn't being targeted any more.
A player, 25 March 2011
To gain clarity on this question: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=89647
Clearly, Night Watchers' Reaction is legal to take here.
The question I'm unclear on is if it is still legal to take Takaharu's reaction now.
Night Watchers timing is "after targeting"
Takaharu's is "When an action would target"
Is this the correct sequence: 1) Opponent announces action. 2) Opponent declares Ninja as target. 3) Ninja player declares Night Watchers reaction, and attaches. 4) Takaharu's reaction is no longer legal because targeting has already occurred.
Thanks!
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 25 March 2011
Night Watchers' Reaction is legal to take here. The question I'm unclear on is if it is still legal to take Takaharu's reaction now.
No, for the reason stated. If you wait until "after", you're past the "when it would" trigger.
A player, 28 March 2011
Ok, I do not want to be a pest, but the ruling on Takaharu and Night Watchers seems to be the exact opposite as the rulings on playing multiple Retributions....
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=80353&p=1050839&hilit=retribution#p1050794
So, to summarize... if you attack someone, they can play retribution on you, and create a new set of battles. You fully resolve those, and then they can play another Retribution creating a whole second set of battles, all triggered off the first end of their attack phase. So even a full combat worth of actions doesn't stop you from playing another reaction to the end of the initial attack phase.
So now with Takaharu and Night Watchers... you CAN react to him being targeted by an effect to play the reaction of attaching the Night Watchers. But after that, you can NO LONGER react to that same targetting to play Takaharus own reaction to redirect it to the now attached Night Watchers? How does this one reaction being used make the original targeting no longer reactionable... but a whole set of battles does NOT stop a second Retribution reaction? What am I missing here?
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 28 March 2011
Takaharu and Night Watchers... you CAN react to him being targeted by an effect to play the reaction of attaching the Night Watchers. But after that, you can NO LONGER react to that same targetting to play Takaharus own reaction to redirect it to the now attached Night Watchers? How does this one reaction being used make the original targeting no longer reactionable(?)
It has nothing to do with the Reaction - it has to do with the timing.
1. Targeting.
2. Reactions triggered by "would target." <- Takaharu.
3. Reactions triggered by "after targeting." <- Night Watchers.
Once you've gone to step 3, you don't get to back up to step 2.