Draw Attention and simultaneous Dishonor Victory (L5R rules board)

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 18 February 2011

I am confused as to the timing of the honor loss from Draw Attention's Focus Effect.

Scenario 1:

I am at -18 Family Honor. My opponent is at -16 Family Honor. My personality and my opponent's personality get into a duel, and we each focus a copy of Draw Attention. The Focus Effects of the Draw Attentions are processed during step E of the duel procedure, creating an effect waiting to punish the loser. The duel winds up a tie. Do the two Draw Attentions apply at the same time, causing us to go to -22 and -20 honor, active player winning the game? Or do the effects happen one at a time, causing me to lose at -20 while my opponent is at -18?

Scenario 2:

Me and my opponent are both at -18 Family Honor.

My dishonored personality with 2 base Personal Honor gets into a duel with my opponent's honorable personality. 1 copy of Draw Attention is focused. The duel is a tie. Which applies first, the simultaneous 2 honor loss from Draw Attention, or the honor loss from my dishonorable personality being destroyed?

Scenario 3:

Me and my opponent are both at -18 Family Honor.

My opponent also controls Akodo Senichi at the current battlefield. In battle, my honorable personality gets into a duel with my opponent's other honorable personality (not Senichi). Draw Attention is focused, and the duel is a tie. Will Draw Attention's loss of honor apply before Akodo Senichi's Reaction?

Question 3A - Would the result change if you replace Akodo Senichi with Matsu Otsuko? (reaction after destruction)

Question 3B - Would the result change if the personality I dueled was Matsu Haruya? (triggered trait after destruction)

Shank you!

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 18 February 2011

I am confused as to the timing of the honor loss from Draw Attention's Focus Effect.

http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Challenges_and_duels: "1. Apply any consequences of losing or winning that alter who loses or who wins.

"2. Apply any consequences of losing or winning the duel from the action or trait that created the duel, in the order written." This is where a fatal duel will kill the loser. This also means this is where Reactions to destruction (like Akodo Senichi) will happen.

"3. Apply any consequences of losing or winning the duel from other actions or traits, following the rules on timing." This is where Draw Attention will occur.

When there is more than one copy of the card, you follow the timing rules: http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Timing#Resolvin ... _conflicts, which includes "triggered traits, delayed effects, indefinite conditional effects, triggered rulebook effects (such as losing Honor after a dishonourable Personality is destroyed). If more than one of these things conflict, the active player decides the order in which they happen" (emphasis added).

On: Draw Attention