A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 8 November 2010
claiming the throne Text Before a player's turn ends this game, if the player, during that turn, destroyed a province in battle resolution, put at least two Rings into play by their own text, and gained 7 or more Honor, he may, as costs, discard the Imperial Favor and pay 10 Gold. If he does so, he wins the game.
one with the world Text This Shugenja has +1F for each Ring you control. Limited: Bow this card: Put one of your Rings from your hand into play, from play into your hand, or from your discard pile into your hand.
do the rings that are put into play by their own text in claiming the throne have to be different rings? if i have the favour can take a province and have the honour gained and gold, could i cast 3 spells, put ring of air into play, one with the world it back into hand and react and put it into play by its own text a second time?
as claiming doesnt state different rings, or that they have to remain in play, and the ring of air will go face down will playing it a second time count as 2 rings played or playing the same ring twice?
Alex Jones (rules official), 8 November 2010
claiming the throne Text Before a player's turn ends this game, if the player, during that turn, destroyed a province in battle resolution, put at least two Rings into play by their own text, and gained 7 or more Honor, he may, as costs, discard the Imperial Favor and pay 10 Gold. If he does so, he wins the game.
one with the world Text This Shugenja has +1F for each Ring you control. Limited: Bow this card: Put one of your Rings from your hand into play, from play into your hand, or from your discard pile into your hand.
do the rings that are put into play by their own text in claiming the throne have to be different rings? if i have the favour can take a province and have the honour gained and gold, could i cast 3 spells, put ring of air into play, one with the world it back into hand and react and put it into play by its own text a second time?
as claiming doesnt state different rings, or that they have to remain in play, and the ring of air will go face down will playing it a second time count as 2 rings played or playing the same ring twice?
Since each Ring is specified on its card, rather than in the game rules, as being Unique, game state does not consider a Ring that re-enters play as the same Ring.
Since Claiming the Throne does not say, "at least two Rings with different titles", you may satisfy that condition with one Ring.
A player, 10 November 2010
in reference to this http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=87245
if i put a ring into play by its own text this turn, say ring of air or void, and then use one with the world to put it back in my hand, can i immediately play that ring again from my hand by its own text since i'v already met the requirements earlier that turn, ie i play 3 different kiho's or spells or 4 non-Kiho action from Strategies during the limited phase, and thus meet the ring requirements for claiming the throne
One with the World: Limited: Bow this card: Put one of your Rings from your hand into play, from play into your hand, or from your discard pile into your hand.
thanks
Alex Jones (rules official), 11 November 2010
in reference to this http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=87245
if i put a ring into play by its own text this turn, say ring of air or void, and then use one with the world to put it back in my hand, can i immediately play that ring again from my hand by its own text since i'v already met the requirements earlier that turn, ie i play 3 different kiho's or spells or 4 non-Kiho action from Strategies during the limited phase, and thus meet the ring requirements for claiming the throne
One with the World: Limited: Bow this card: Put one of your Rings from your hand into play, from play into your hand, or from your discard pile into your hand.
thanks
You can put the Ring into play again, but not until you satisfy the condition another time: you need to resolve another action that meets the relevant condition for Air, Water or Void, destroy another province for Earth or win another duel where you used the Ring of Fire's Focus Effect.
"After" is used to distinguish from the other timings, "when" and "before" - see Timing, Triggers. This is sometimes phrased as "After means immediately after", which, while not strictly true, seems to help some people understand the difference.
A condition that doesn't care when you fulfilled a requirement, merely that you have, would use "if", not "after" - eg "If you have resolved three or more Spell or Kiho action in one turn from cards with different titles: You may put this card into play from your hand."
A player, 16 November 2010
In reference to this.
Just to be clear. If I have played 3 spells or Kihos (none of which are One with the World, and all different) already this turn, then play Ring of Air from my Hand, per card text. Can I then use One with the World to return it to my hand, and play it again immediately, after One with the World resolves.
Assuming that works(and I believe it does)...If I play the ability on a second One with the World after this, to again return Ring of Air to my hand. Will it still trigger the trait on Ring of Air? In short, does the fact that the just resolved spell/kiho shares a title with a previously played spell/kiho ability preclude it from triggering Ring of Air a second time, or does Ring of Air simply look for three unique titles total in the current turn?
Ring or Air: After you resolve your third or later Spell or Kiho action in one turn from cards with different titles: You may put this card into play from your hand.
Alex Jones (rules official), 17 November 2010
In reference to this.
Just to be clear. If I have played 3 spells or Kihos (none of which are One with the World, and all different) already this turn, then play Ring of Air from my Hand, per card text. Can I then use One with the World to return it to my hand, and play it again immediately, after One with the World resolves.
Assuming that works(and I believe it does)...If I play the ability on a second One with the World after this, to again return Ring of Air to my hand. Will it still trigger the trait on Ring of Air? In short, does the fact that the just resolved spell/kiho shares a title with a previously played spell/kiho ability preclude it from triggering Ring of Air a second time, or does Ring of Air simply look for three unique titles total in the current turn?
Ring or Air: After you resolve your third or later Spell or Kiho action in one turn from cards with different titles: You may put this card into play from your hand.
It is sufficient you have taken three Spell or Kiho actions from cards with different titles this turn; that you may have taken actions from cards with the same title as these is not relevant.