Junghar Encampment Versus Determined Force

L5R CCG Rules board, 16 August 2010 to 17 August 2010

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 16 August 2010

Hi all,

Does Determined Force successfully resolved on a battle action without move into the battle and taken by Junghar Encampment's trait ?

Thanks in advance.

Junghar Encampment Once per battle, if you control any units at an adjacent battlefield, after you announce a Battle action at the current battlefield, you may take and resolve it as if the Defender's army had at least one unit. (This does not create any units for costs or targeting.)

Determined Force Reaction: Before the resolution of a Battle action taken by another player who controlled no units at the current battlefield when the action was announced, if none of the action's effects can move the other player's units to the current battlefield: The action's effects do not happen.

EDIT: My opponent attack a province with a unit "A" and fight a battle here first. I have a unit "B" in an adjacent battlefield and none in the current. My Junghar Encampment give me the opportunity to play a battle action as if I have at least one unit for it. I take it (by exemple a Final Duty) and my opponent use the reaction of a Determined Force. What happens now? The effects will be negated or not?

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 16 August 2010

Does Determined Force successfully resolved on a battle action without move into the battle and taken by Junghar Encampment's trait ?

You may need to rephrase that. Who is taking what specific actions in what order?

A player, 17 August 2010

I have edit this post: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=85824&start=0

EDIT: Thanks.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 17 August 2010

My opponent attack a province with a unit "A" and fight a battle here first. I have a unit "B" in an adjacent battlefield and none in the current. My Junghar Encampment give me the opportunity to play a battle action as if I have at least one unit for it. I take it (by exemple a Final Duty) and my opponent use the reaction of a Determined Force. What happens now? The effects will be negated or not?

Yes, the effects will be negated.

The Junghar Encampment allows you to play YOUR action as if there is a Defending unit, for such things as presence, or opposition, but it has no effect on conditions/requirements/triggers of any other action, such as another player's Determined Force.