Honor Loss, reduce to zero and Oyo Seido.

L5R CCG Rules board, 22 May 2010

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A player, 22 May 2010

If I lose honor from an action during my action phase (for example Subtle Sting), and I reduce my honor loss to zero, can I afterwards use my Oyo Seido to gain 2 honor? Effectively, is an honor loss of 0 an honor loss?

Relevant Texts:

Deeds and Words Reaction: Before a player gains or loses Honor during the Action Phase, destroy this card: Reduce the gain or loss to 0.

Oyo Seido Limited: If you have not lost Honor from cards you own this game and your Family Honor is 5 or lower: Gain 2 Honor.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 22 May 2010

Effectively, is an honor loss of 0 an honor loss?

No, it is not.

Family Honor: "An Honor gain of 0 points is not considered a gain for things that check whether a gain happened. Likewise, an Honor loss of 0 points is not considered a loss for such things. An Honor gain or loss of 0 points is not considered a gain or loss for things that check whether a gain or loss happened."