Plains of Resolution; Game of Sincerity; Final Duty

L5R CCG Rules board, 7 May 2010

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 7 May 2010

According to these topics: 1. Situation 1 2. Situation 2

Plains of resolution: Open: Bow this card: Your target Samurai contributes force while bowed and will not have his force reduced by other players' cards.

Game of Sincerity: Battle: Dishonor your target unbowed Personality: Dishonor a target Personality. His controller loses 2 Honor. Neither Personality contributes Force in this battle's resolution.

Final Duty: Battle: If your current army has lower total Force than the current enemy army: Ranged 6 Attack.

Rulebook: An army's total Force is the sum of the modified Force of all unbowed Personalities and Followers in the army.

How are these two situations different from each other? Why I'm unable to play Final Duty when I got bowed personality targeted with Plains? Because rulebook says clearly that army total force is force of your unbowed personalities not force you count during resolution. Plains doesn't say that personality contribute force to army total force. Maybe he cotributes in resolution? Game says that personality doesn't contributes in battle resolution but still in battle action segment this personality's force counts for army total force so this one is clear for me. Could you make some kind of final rule for this and write down grounds of that decision?

Thanks

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 7 May 2010

How are these two situations different from each other? Why I'm unable to play Final Duty when I got bowed personality targeted with Plains? Because rulebook says clearly that army total force is force of your unbowed personalities not force you count during resolution. Plains doesn't say that personality contribute force to army total force. Maybe he cotributes in resolution?

No, he doesn't JUST contribute in resolution. Because Plains doesn't say "during/in resolution" like Game of Sincerety, it means the Personality contributes his Force while bowed during the Combat Segment TOO.

On: Plains of Resolution, Game of Sincerity, Final Duty

Could you make some kind of final rule for this and write down grounds of that decision?

We already had done:

Contribute: "To add a card's or unit's Force to an army total. Effects allowing or denying contribution apply at any time an army exists, unless restricted to battle resolution."

On: Plains of Resolution, Game of Sincerity, Final Duty