The Dead Do Not Rest, Undead Shugenja and Presence/Location

L5R CCG Rules board, 22 April 2010

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 22 April 2010

I want to make sure I understand the interactions here.

The Dead Do Not Rest (TDDNR) reads:

Battle: Bow your target Shugenja at any location: Move one to three target Undead Personalities in your home to the current battlefield, even if any of them have been in an attacking army at a battlefield during its battle's resolution. Straighten their units if they moved. Destroy them after this battle's resolution.

The cost makes the targeted Shugenja to be the performer. 1. Does TDDR allow the use of the Exception to the Rule of Presence, as it would "move one or more of his units" to the battlefield? 2. Does TDDR allow the use of the Exception to the Rule of Location? This exception requires that the action's "costs or effects say they are able to move [the targeted/performing unit] to the current battlefield." TDDNR would not normally allow the movement of the performing Shugenja; would that prevent the use of this exception? 3. Does the phrase "at any location" in the cost, as part of the targeting allows the player to ignore the Rule of Location? If so, does it apply to all its targets, or only the to performing Shugenja, yet allowing the "one to three target Undead Personalities in your home" to benefit from the Exception to the Rule of Location? 4. If the performing Shugenja is Undead, does the restriction on the [Exception to the] rule of Location ("The player who is taking the action must take choices within the action, if possible, such that they do move [the targeted/performing unit] there") requires the performer to be one of the targets to move; or does the fact that the phrase "at any location" is in the cost, as part of the targeting allows the player to ignore said restriction on the performing Shugenja?

Thanks

Edit: Adding missing words on question 4.

Dan Jacobson (rules official), 22 April 2010

I want to make sure I understand the interactions here.

The Dead Do Not Rest (TDDNR) reads:

Battle: Bow your target Shugenja at any location: Move one to three target Undead Personalities in your home to the current battlefield, even if any of them have been in an attacking army at a battlefield during its battle's resolution. Straighten their units if they moved. Destroy them after this battle's resolution.

The cost makes the targeted Shugenja to be the performer. 1. Does TDDR allow the use of the Exception to the Rule of Presence, as it would "move one or more of his units" to the battlefield? 2. Does TDDR allow the use of the Exception to the Rule of Location? This exception requires that the action's "costs or effects say they are able to move [the targeted/performing unit] to the current battlefield." TDDNR would not normally allow the movement of the performing Shugenja; would that prevent the use of this exception? 3. Does the phrase "at any location" in the cost, as part of the targeting allows the player to ignore the Rule of Location? If so, does it apply to all its targets, or only the to performing Shugenja, yet allowing the "one to three target Undead Personalities in your home" to benefit from the Exception to the Rule of Location? 4. If the performing Shugenja is Undead, does the restriction on the rule of Location ("The player who is taking the action must take choices within the action, if possible, such that they do move [the targeted/performing unit] there") requires the performer to be one of the targets to move; or does the fact that the phrase "at any location" is in the cost, as part of the targeting allows the player to ignore said restriction on the performing Shugenja?

Thanks

1. Yes. You do not need presence at the current Battlefield to play The Dead Do Not Rest 2. Yes. The phrase "at any location" allows for a non-Undead Shugenja to pay the costs of The Dead Do Note Rest, even if he is at a location other than the current battlefield, and even if the action will not move him to the current battlefield. 3. The Undead personalities targeted must be at home. That is stated in the targeting of the action. The "at any location" phrase only lets the Shugenja that pays the cost be at any location. 4. If you wish to move the Shugenja in (if the Shugenja is Undead) then the Shugenja must be at home per the targeting requirements of The Dead Do Not Rest. You are NOT required for the Shugenja to be one of your targets if he/she/it is Undead.