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A player, 19 February 2010
This seems like an obvious question, but my friends and I cannot come to an agreement, and I didn't see anything when I did a search.
Akodo's Guidance gives +1 PH to attacking lions, and lets you kill someone with equal or lower personal honor. You must discard Akodo's Guidance as a cost though, so am I right to assume that the bonus PH goes away before he gets to kill my guy?
Basic example A: My opponent attacks me with a Lion who has 2 printed personal honor. He also has Akodo's Guidance out. He blows his guidance and his guy to kill my defender with 3 personal honor.
Is that a legal play?
I know he picks targets first, then pays costs, but by the time the cost is paid he on longer has equal or more personal honor, so the effect would fizzle and he would learn a valuable lesson about trying to kill my clan champion with a 5 gold scrub.
The obvious related question is how would this timing work with something like Deflection or Seiden Sanzo thrown in? Could I redirect to a target that is legal during the targeting phase, but not legal by the time he pays the cost in order to make the effect fizzle? Please say yes.
Thanks.
Akodo's Guidance
Attacking Lion Clan personalities +1F and +1 PH.
Battle: If you are a Lion Clan player, discard this card and destroy your target Lion Clan personality: destroy a target enemy personality with equal or lower Personal Honor.
Dan Jacobson (rules official), 19 February 2010
This seems like an obvious question, but my friends and I cannot come to an agreement, and I didn't see anything when I did a search.
Akodo's Guidance gives +1 PH to attacking lions, and lets you kill someone with equal or lower personal honor. You must discard Akodo's Guidance as a cost though, so am I right to assume that the bonus PH goes away before he gets to kill my guy?
Basic example A: My opponent attacks me with a Lion who has 2 printed personal honor. He also has Akodo's Guidance out. He blows his guidance and his guy to kill my defender with 3 personal honor.
Is that a legal play?
I know he picks targets first, then pays costs, but by the time the cost is paid he on longer has equal or more personal honor, so the effect would fizzle and he would learn a valuable lesson about trying to kill my clan champion with a 5 gold scrub.
The obvious related question is how would this timing work with something like Deflection or Seiden Sanzo thrown in? Could I redirect to a target that is legal during the targeting phase, but not legal by the time he pays the cost in order to make the effect fizzle? Please say yes.
Thanks.
Akodo's Guidance
Attacking Lion Clan personalities +1F and +1 PH.
Battle: If you are a Lion Clan player, discard this card and destroy your target Lion Clan personality: destroy a target enemy personality with equal or lower Personal Honor.
All targets must be legal at the time targets are chosen.
The order:
A) Announce the action (Akodo's Guidance) B) Choose Targets This is where you have to meet the requirements of the personal honor check. All effects that change targeting must still meet the targeting requirements of the original action. Sorry, no "fizzling" in this manner at least. C) Pay Costs (Discarding Akodo's Guidance and Destroying the Lion personality come here) D) Effects (Kaboom!)