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I'm having a hard time sorting through all the thread on Ritual of summoning. So if this is answered someone else please just point me to it since i cant find it.
I have Ningen in play with Shiba's Guidance. I cast Ritual of summoning on Ningen and use it. Is his force now 5? or is it 7?
thanks,
Jeffy No Oni
I'm having a hard time sorting through all the thread on Ritual of summoning. So if this is answered someone else please just point me to it since i cant find it.
I have Ningen in play with Shiba's Guidance. I cast Ritual of summoning on Ningen and use it. Is his force now 5? or is it 7?
thanks,
Jeffy No Oni
Setting a stat to a certain value implies that you are giving an appropriate stat bonus or penalty to their current stat, with all bonuses and penalties to that stat accounted for.
See http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Card_features#Setting_stats_to_a_value for more details.
Shiba Ningen xp2's Force will be 5.
Regarding this thread: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=81777
What will Ningen's force bonus on subsequent turns from the turn you play Ritual of Summoning? Will the two static force boosts then apply and make him 7F?
Thanks, Mark
What will Ningen's force bonus on subsequent turns from the turn you play Ritual of Summoning?
His force stays 5 unless a new bonus applies. "Permanently set the performing Shugenja's Force and Chi to 5" (Ritual of Summoning card text).
Hypothetical: I am a Phoenix player with Shiba's Guidance in play. My shugenja performs ritual of summoning (permanently sets his force to 5). I discard Shiba's Guidance for its effect. At this point my Shugenja who performed Ritual of Summoning has a force of 4, correct?
My confusion is my own, but there seemed to an implication in the post here: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=81777#p1068863
In regards to thread viewtopic.php?f=59&t=81777.
So even though they are a static bonus once he becomes set to 5 they do not increase his force unless they happen after the ritual? If i ritual then attach a scouring flood his force would be 7 but if i attach the scouring flood then ritual (in this situation with the guidance in play) he goes down to a 5?
Sorry for asking so many questions about something that i'm sure you guys are tired of talking about but I want to make sure I understand this interaction inside and out as its a key card for me.
thanks, Jeffy No Oni
Hypothetical: I am a Phoenix player with Shiba's Guidance in play. My shugenja performs ritual of summoning (permanently sets his force to 5). I discard Shiba's Guidance for its effect. At this point my Shugenja who performed Ritual of Summoning has a force of 4, correct?
Yes. See http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Card_features#S ... to_a_value.
Many people intuitively think that "permanently set a stat to a value" means "permanently set a base stat to a value." It doesn't (unless the card were to actually say "base").
So even though they are a static bonus once he becomes set to 5 they do not increase his force unless they happen after the ritual?
Yes.
If i ritual then attach a scouring flood his force would be 7 but if i attach the scouring flood then ritual (in this situation with the guidance in play) he goes down to a 5?
Yes. Again, I recommend reading the examples in the comprehensive rules, which deal with just such cases: http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Card_features#S ... to_a_value
The only tiny wrinkle that differs here is the addition of the word "permanent," which just means "past the end of turn," not "base stat" or "printed stat," which seems to be what people are thinking.
Sorry for asking so many questions about something that i'm sure you guys are tired of talking about
Heh. "If I Force of Will a 0PH Personality with a Wakizashi attached, does he live?" was first asked back when the game's first expansion, Shadowlands, was released about 14 years ago.
So yeah, you come to peace with certain questions, and just accept that some things can't be easily got at by intuition alone. Which is why there's a boring but consistent math procedure in the rules for handling stat bonuses.