Burn the Village and Shadowlands Personalities

L5R CCG Rules board, 2 February 2010

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 2 February 2010

Card text from Burn the Village:

"Limited: Each player may target one or two Personalities, each of whose base Gold Cost is equal to or lower than his controller's Stronghold's Gold production plus two. Destroy the targeted personalities. Remove all of them that are Shadowlands from the game."

From the 'In play and out of play' section of the Comprehensive Rules:

"Cards that are not in play or in a resolution, entering-play or focusing area have the following limitations:

* They may not be targeted. * Their continuous traits do not produce effects.

EXCEPTION: Continuous effects on cards out of play affect only the card itself.

* They are not affected by effects. * Abilities on them may not be used, and triggered traits on them are not triggered. * They may not be used or changed to pay costs. "

Emphasis mine. Does this mean the last effect will fail unless something has prevented the destruction of the Shadowlands personalities? Or does the following exemption again from the same section of the Comprehensive Rules apply: "The above limitations are overridden when a reference is made to cards in an out-of-play area, or an effect that would normally put a card in an out-of-play area or that refers to a card in such an area."

Just seeking clarification, please. I think I understand the intent of the card, and that the last part of the above exemption will cover things, but I'd rather not be asking this question in a Kotei

Thanks, Mark

Alex Jones (rules official), 2 February 2010

Card text from Burn the Village:

"Limited: Each player may target one or two Personalities, each of whose base Gold Cost is equal to or lower than his controller's Stronghold's Gold production plus two. Destroy the targeted personalities. Remove all of them that are Shadowlands from the game."

From the 'In play and out of play' section of the Comprehensive Rules:

"Cards that are not in play or in a resolution, entering-play or focusing area have the following limitations:

* They may not be targeted. * Their continuous traits do not produce effects.

EXCEPTION: Continuous effects on cards out of play affect only the card itself.

* They are not affected by effects. * Abilities on them may not be used, and triggered traits on them are not triggered. * They may not be used or changed to pay costs. "

Emphasis mine. Does this mean the last effect will fail unless something has prevented the destruction of the Shadowlands personalities? Or does the following exemption again from the same section of the Comprehensive Rules apply: "The above limitations are overridden when a reference is made to cards in an out-of-play area, or an effect that would normally put a card in an out-of-play area or that refers to a card in such an area."

Just seeking clarification, please. I think I understand the intent of the card, and that the last part of the above exemption will cover things, but I'd rather not be asking this question in a Kotei

Thanks, Mark

Burn the Village expects the Personalities to be in the discard pile, so this is the text that allows Burn the Village to affect them: The above limitations are overridden when a reference is made to cards in an out-of-play area.